Because Abortion is Murder - Except When I Need Something!

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Gotta love that pro-lie hipocracy!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,7369,1363339,00.html

Dr Huang Hongyun cultivates the cells of aborted foetuses and injects them
into the brains and spines of his patients. His method is controversial,
but his results have led hundreds of westerners to his Beijing surgery.

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patients are putting aside ethical qualms, paying tens of thousands of
dollars and flying to Beijing to act as his guinea pigs.

Among them is Van Golden, a Christian, anti-abortion Texan who has sold his
house so that he can travel to communist, atheist China and have Huang
inject a million cells from the nasal area of a foetus into his spine.
According to Golden's doctors, his spine was damaged beyond repair in a car
crash last Christmas. The damage to his nervous system was so bad that he
has been in a wheelchair and racked by spasms ever since. But Golden
refused to give up, even if it meant having to compromise his values. "This
is the only place that offered us any hope," he says. "Everyone else
offered only to help make me sufficient in that chair. But the chair is not
my destiny. It is not ordained."

<...>

It cannot be easy for a man of his beliefs to be in China, where the
government's one-child policy is partly responsible for millions of
abortions each year. But instead of shunning the system, Golden believes
his only hope is to embrace it. There is nowhere else he could get foetal
cells. "I wish there was another way they could do it. There are 4,000
abortions a day in the US. Partial-birth ones are murder on a most terrible
level. What they are doing here is a whole lot more humane.

"Four thousand a day. That's a waste. Something good should come out of
something bad. The people who don't believe that aren't in a wheelchair."
The day after we meet him, Golden takes his turn in the operating room,
where Laura Fairrie, a film-maker with Guardianfilms, has been given a rare
chance to film the controversial procedure.

<...>


"I don't agree with abortion, but it will happen anyway. In the US, we do
abortions but don't use the cells. In China, they don't just take life and
destroy it - they give something back. It's like lemonade out of lemons.
You take something bad and you make it good." Such reasoning requires a
moral somersault, but it is one that can be done easily in China. That is
enough to generate hope.

[Ruffhowse]

1. Especially when they are just potential Godless Chinese stem cells, why

it matters not at all! Bet you anything that rationalization went through this guys mind as he contemplated doing this.

[TaleWgnDg]

2. Hey, this guy will turn . . . yup. Into a godless Commie-pinko!

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[Hekate]

3. My God, this is creepy

This man's thinking is really twisted.

Maybe it comes from being so very sure he knows what "God's will" is; as in, all abortion is murder, but then again "it is not ordained" that he himself remain in a wheelchair. Whatever happened to that much-vaunted submission to the will of God, and that rock-solid belief -- so often told to women carrying severely damaged fetuses -- that God never gives you a burden heavier than you can carry? Whatever happened to "This is your Cross to bear"?

I mean, when all those women paraded before Congress with their tragic stories about wanted babies that turned out to be anencephalic monsters and the like, and people like Van Golden sat in judgment on them -- how chilling was that?

And human life being so sacred that a 10-celled zygote should have more legal standing than a grown human?

Now Van Golden and others like him want to pretend that what the Chinese do "is a lot more humane." Not always by any means: China's one-child policy has been carried out with forced late-term abortions on women with unauthorized pregnancies.

God spare us from both dictators and extreme fundamentalists, who want the power to tell women when and how their pregnancies are to be authorized.

Hekate

[seaj11]

8. Truly twisted.

It's disgusting that he wants to benefit from something that he believes is morally wrong. Plus, U.S. scientists do use cells from abortions. Perhaps his "anti-abortion" attitude only applies in the U.S., where he can do something about it. Sicko!

[Southpaw Bookworm]

9. And probably to white American "babies"

I've found that too often these folks aren't interested in being pro-life when it's little brown heathens who aren't making it to birth, that they're not quite as human as them.

[renaissanceguy]

10. Well, the U.S. for example, funds sterilization

for minorities. Wonder what that's supposed to mean? <end sarcasm>

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[REP]

11. Really? I Had To Pay For Mine

The story I hear is how hard it is to find someone to do a tubal ligation or vasectomy. I hear this from actual people seeking sterilizations, not from rumours or websites.

[Jackie97]

4. Isn't that how some pro-choicers are born?

They think abortion is bad, until they or somebody else needs one. I've found that even a lot of pro-choicers might think that person X's abortion was okay, while Person B was just a slut. Most people are self-interested in my opinion.

The author is right though. If they're going to have abortion, then they should do something with the cells. It does no good just to throw the fetus out. Just like overhere. I've heard arguments from people who normally oppose abortion saying stuff like "They're just going to throw those cells out anyway. Why not do something with them" (talking about stemcell research)?

[REP]

5. Stem Cells Come From Embryos, Not Fetuses

The stem cell research being hindered in the US is embryonic stem cells, which have yet to differiantiate into tissues, organs, etc. Fetal cellsarenot the same as embryonic stem cells.

And no, this is not how converts are made. "No abortion, except fort rape, incest or me"is pretty much the pro-lie motto.

[Jackie97]

6. Yeah, I know.

I should have made myself more clear.

Actually, I never heard of using a fetus for anything like this until I read your post.

[SemperEadem]

7. that man needs to be exposed in the worst way

he should not be allowed to return to this country.