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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 12:33 AM
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LAT: Ginsburg's dissent may yet prevail
latimes.com
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-sunstein20apr20,1,738504.story
From the Los Angeles Times
Ginsburg's dissent may yet prevail
The justice argues that equality, not privacy, is crucial in the abortion right.
By Cass R. Sunstein
CASS R. SUNSTEIN teaches at the University of Chicago Law School.

April 20, 2007

IN THE LONG RUN, the most important part of the Supreme Court's ruling on "partial-birth" abortions may not be Justice Anthony M. Kennedy's opinion for the majority. It might well be Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's dissent, which attempts, for the first time in the court's history, to justify the right to abortion squarely in terms of women's equality rather than privacy.

Roe vs. Wade, decided in 1973, was founded on the right of privacy in the medical domain, but the court's argument was exceedingly weak. The Constitution does not use the word "privacy" anywhere, and, in any case, the idea of privacy seems to describe a right of seclusion, not a right of patients and doctors to decide as they see fit. And everyone knew, even in 1973, that the debate over abortion had a great deal to do with women's equality.

In 1985, Ginsburg, then a federal appeals court judge, argued in a law review article that the court should have emphasized "a woman's autonomous charge of her full life's course." Citing decisions on sex equality, she contended that Roe vs. Wade was "weakened … by the opinion's concentration on a medically approved autonomy idea, to the exclusion of a constitutionally based sex-equality perspective." In this week's case, Ginsburg, now the only woman on the court, attempted to re-conceive the foundations of the abortion right, basing it on well-established constitutional principles of equality. Borrowing from her 1985 argument, she said that legal challenges to restrictions on abortion procedures "do not seek to vindicate some generalized notion of privacy; rather, they center on a woman's autonomy to determine her life's course, and thus to enjoy equal citizenship stature."

For Ginsburg, this alternative understanding of the right to choose has concrete implications. It means that any restrictions on the abortion right must, at a minimum, protect a woman's health. It also means that no such restriction can be justified on the paternalistic ground that women might turn out to regret their choices or are too fragile to receive all relevant information about medical possibilities. In her view, such paternalistic arguments run afoul of the guarantee of sex equality because they reflect "ancient notions about women's place in the family and under the Constitution — ideas that have long since been discredited."

(snip)

True, men cannot become pregnant, and it is tempting to think that, for that reason, abortion restrictions cannot possibly create a problem of discrimination. But perhaps this argument has things backward. In our society, isn't there an equality problem if laws target only women's bodies and leave men's bodies alone?.. But Ginsburg has now offered the most powerful understanding of the foundations of the right to choose — and it is important to remember that today's dissenting opinion often becomes tomorrow's majority. The equality argument has the support of four members of the court (Ginsburg and justices John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter and Stephen G. Breyer). We should not be terribly surprised if, in the fullness of time, Ginsburg's view attracts a decisive fifth.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 12:35 AM
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1. You go Justice Ginsberg!!!!!
Edited on Sat Apr-21-07 12:37 AM by BrklynLiberal
BTW-I think this post should go in a more prominent forum.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 12:39 AM
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2. Definitely...!
It's cool having it here, but it would be great to see it in GD, too. :thumbsup:
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 12:47 AM
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5. Will do
It is just that on GD topics sink very fast..
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 12:45 AM
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4. Yes, please cross-post over in GD. This is very heartening, & I would have missed it if ...
...it hadn't been on the Latest page.

Bless Ruth Bader Ginsberg. May she have a long and healthy life on the Court.

Hekate

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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 12:42 AM
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3. K&R'd
...for justice...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 12:52 AM
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6. Also, why is it not involuntary servitude (i.e. slavery)
Edited on Sat Apr-21-07 12:52 AM by snot
to require a woman to house within her body an unwanted foetus or child?

I don't want to detract from Ginsberg's approach, which I think is strong; but I don't see why requiring a woman against her will to bear a child to term is different than, say, requiring a man against his will to donate a kidney, etc. Pregnancy and childbirth are hazardous to a woman, not to mention inconvenient, much moreso than an abortion.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 01:06 AM
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7. Your point is good. Women have ben reduced to 2nd class citizens
And it's not going over well. A bunch of white male Catholics are detrmining women's rights. That's as Taliban as you can get.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 01:15 AM
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9. I posted a comment about John O'Sullivan
a RWer who was a guest on Bill Maher and who commented how the U.S. is the only one where women can have abortion so late in the term... was very happy with the SCOUT decision.

And it was the other conservative, a woman, who half whispered that late term abortion is performed when the fetus is dead, or severely deformed, or when the mother's health is in danger.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x719361
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 11:26 PM
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12. YES!
I just can't believe that the SCOTUS made such a backward decision in this day and age. Proof of devolution.
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 01:08 AM
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8. K & R
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 04:50 AM
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10. recommend
she thinks of this as i have thought about it all along.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 02:44 PM
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11. Excellent resource info, KNR Bookmarked too.
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