Only 60% of Chinese Jr. High graduates enter high school, let alone graduate.

[Hannah Bell]

http://books.google.com/books?id=uOvpdYN3RvUC&pg=PA146&dq=percent+of+chinese+entering+high+school&hl=en&ei=O8MmTcfVKZSosAPf6bnIBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=percent%20of%20chinese%20entering%20high%20school&f=false

See the table p. 146.

[JDPriestly]

1. Yes. I lived in Europe for a number of years. Lots of people

don't get on the track for what we would call a high school education.

We are comparing the performance of all of our 16-year children to the very best students in some of the countries in the world. That is not fair to our students many of whom do better than their foreign counterparts.

[Hannah Bell]

2. I'll add that though I haven't been able to find stats on their high school graduation rates,

comparing "new student enrollment" in 2002 in "regular secondary schools" to "graduates" in the same year yields an estimated drop-out rate of 22.7%.

http://www.edu.cn/education_1384/20060323/t20060323_115731.shtml

Which wouldn't be surprising in a country where the majority of the population is poor & high school costs money.

Though my methodology may be illegitimate as the numbers for primary school grads is higher than the number for new enrollees.

[dkf]

3. I can't see anything you are citing from the link.

It says I've reached my viewing limit for the book.

[Hannah Bell]

6. it works just fine for me or anyone who opens the link.

[dkf]

4. The OECD test which Shanghai topped was for 15 year olds

In the 2009 test of the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), a worldwide evaluation of 15-year-old school pupils' scholastic performance, Chinese students from Shanghai achieved the best results in mathematics, science and reading.<6><7> The OECD also looked at some rural areas of China, and found they matched Shanghai's quality and that even in some of the very poor areas the performance is close to the OECD average.<8>


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China?wasRedirected=true

[Hannah Bell]

7. perhaps you didn't read the op, or see this: children of the migrant workers are barred

from shanghai schools.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=219&topic_id=30937&mesg_id=30937


Interesting article by a Chinese-American scholar who studies Chinese migratory labor.

He points out that the students in Shanghai who took the PISA tests, and who scored at the top of the various nations who engaged in the test, aren’t representative of Chinese students generally. An excerpt:

“… the contrast of the U.S. scores with Shanghai’s is not totally appropriate: It is comparing the entire U.S. population — including many who are on free or reduced-price lunches — with China’s cream of the crop, the Shanghai kids.

Even more important, but far less-known, is that in Shanghai, as in most other Chinese cities, the rural migrant workers that are the true urban working poor...are not allowed to send their kids to public high schools in the city.

This is engineered by the discriminatory hukou or household registration system, which classifies them as “outsiders.” Those teenagers will have to go back home to continue education, or drop out of school altogether.

In other words, the city has 3 to 4 million working poor, but its high-school system conveniently does not need to provide for the kids of that segment. In essence, the poor kids are purged from Shanghai’s sample of 5,100 students taking the tests.

The Shanghai sample is the extract of China’s extract.

A fairer play would be to ask kids at Alice Deal, Lafayette, Sidwell Friends, NCS, or St. Alban's* to race against Shanghai’s kids.”


More than 40% of chinese students never even MAKE IT to high school.

[Recursion]

11. In Shanghai. If we tested students in Mountain View, or Brookline...

...we'd top the world too.

The OECD also looked at some rural areas of China, and found they matched Shanghai's quality

I'm sure there are "some rural areas" that match Shanghai's quality.

[txlibdem]

5. Please rent Mardi Gras: Made in China

It will open your eyes about the causes of low high school enrollment: rampant, cold-hearted Capitalism. It's funny how the world's largest Communist country has all the social ills of every other Capitalist nation... ever since they went to bed with Ronnie Raygun and started implementing his brand of fascism in their economy.

Money is truly the root of all evil.

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. Yes, that's an excellent documentary

[txlibdem]

9. And apropos to the topic in the OP: parents keep one or more children out of high school to work

in the factories where they are locked in behind iron gates and high fences. I'm surprised that 60% of their kids actually GETS to go to high school. I thought the number was far lower, based on the rampant child labor practices in China.

Watching that movie made me even more convinced that we all need to stop purchasing anything made in China or any other country that uses child labor or fails to pay their workers a living wage --which China does NOT.

[Recursion]

10. Because they were so concerned with labor rights under Mao...

Communist regimes have been harder on actual labor unions than we have. Remember what ended up taking down the Polish communist government?