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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 11:43 PM
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Dr. Oz Goes Back To Science When Writing For TIME Magazine On Nutrition
Edited on Tue Sep-13-11 11:44 PM by HuckleB
TIME Magazine, Dr. Oz, What to Eat, and Supplements
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/time-magazine-dr-oz-what-to-eat-and-supplements/

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The September 12 issue of TIME magazine was a Special Nutrition Issue. The cover featured pictures of food and the title “What to Eat Now: Uncovering the Myths about Food by Dr. Oz.” It devotes 7 pages to an article by him entitled “The Oz Diet: No more myths. No more fads. What you should eat — and why.” This is followed by a 5 page article by John Cloud “Nutrition in a Pill? I took 3000 supplements over five months. Here’s what happened.” Both articles have a rational, science-based perspective without any intrusions of woo-woo.

...

Both of these articles are informative and reasonable, well written and entertaining, and are examples of good science journalism. TIME is no Science-Based Medicine, but it does a pretty good job for a popular publication. All too often, the media get science wrong; but sometimes they get it right. And when they do, we should say so. Good job, TIME!"

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The article is full of lists, so it's difficult to break down a clipping of it, so, you'll have to go to the link to get the meat and veggies. (BTW, Maybe Dr. Oz should hire his editors from this piece to oversee the content on his TV show.)

:hi:
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:00 AM
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1. Good to see Dr. Oz come back to the light side.
K&R!
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:04 AM
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2. Alas, it didn't last long.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 11:12 AM
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3. What a shame.
A producer for the "Dr. Oz Show" said their apple juice tests measured total arsenic levels and did not distinguish between organic and inorganic arsenic.

The FDA conducted its own tests of the apple juice investigated by the "Dr. Oz Show." In some of the very same lots of juice tested for the show, the FDA reported finding very low levels of inorganic arsenic -- 6 parts per billion at most, even lower than the 10 parts per billion recommended by the EPA as a safe level for drinking water.
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 01:40 AM
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4. For ESSENTIAL VIDEO of the Dr.Oz program on GMOs, please see post # 2 here.
Edited on Sat Sep-17-11 01:41 AM by proverbialwisdom
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 04:08 AM
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5. Can you assure us, with fully supported evidence, that we won't be wasting out time?
If not, then please don't try to take over OP's that have nothing to do with your agenda.
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:12 PM
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6. The video demonstrates the failure of sticking the anti-science label on Dr.Oz.
Edited on Sat Sep-17-11 05:12 PM by proverbialwisdom
Yes, absolutely, I can assure you that you will not be wasting your time, nor will anyone else. Oz models the scientific approach of investigative inquiry.

I'm not sure what 'fully supported evidence' you are asking for but since you asked, maybe this for a start:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/anniversary-of-a-whistleb_b_675817.html

By Jeffrey Smith.
Posted: August 9, 2010 01:40 PM

Anniversary of a Whistleblowing Hero


http://www.responsibletechnology.org/blog/76

Part 1 (Click here for Part 2 »)

Twelve years ago, a 150-second TV broadcast changed our world; everyone everywhere owes a debt of gratitude to the man whose life it turned upside down—in his effort to protect ours. On August 10, 1998, eminent scientist Dr. Arpad Pusztai (pronounced Poos-tie) dared to speak the truth. He had been an enthusiastic supporter of genetic engineering, working on cutting edge safety research with genetically modified (GM) foods. But to his surprise, his experiments showed that GM foods were inherently dangerous... I recount the dramatic story of Dr. Pusztai below. In Part 2, I respond point-by-point to the biotech industry's denial and spin over the Pusztai affair, which is still being hyped in their new attack website.

<...>

Courage, Integrity, and the Public's Right to Know

In the years since this controversy, Dr. Pusztai has given more than 200 lectures around the world on GMOs. He has been commissioned by the German government, academic publications, and others to do comprehensive analyses of GMO safety studies. In 2005, he received the Whistleblower Award from the Federation of German Scientists (VDW). And in 2009, he and his wife, Dr. Susan Bardocz—also an expert on GMO safety and formerly of the Rowett Institute—were presented with the Stuttgart Peace Prize for their tireless advocacy for independent risk research, as well as their courage, scientific integrity, and their undaunted insistence on the public's right to know the truth.

In 2008, on the tenth anniversary of his TV show, Dr. Pusztai reflected:

"On this anniversary I have to admit that, unfortunately, not much has changed since 1998. In one of the few sentences I said in my broadcast ten years ago, I asked for a credible GM testing protocol to be established that would be acceptable to the majority of scientists and to people in general. 10 years on we still haven't got one. . .

"All of us asked for independent, transparent and inclusive research into the safety of GM plants, and particularly those used in foods. There is not much sign of this either. There are still 'many opinions but very few data;' less than three dozen peer-reviewed scientific papers have been published describing the results of work relating to GM safety that could actually be regarded as being of an academic standard; and the majority of even these is from industry-supported labs. . ."


<...>

(PART 2: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/biotech-propaganda-cooks_b_675957.html )
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 06:26 PM
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8. I have no idea how those links are supposed to support Dr. Oz.
And I still don't know what any of this has to do with the OP.
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 09:28 PM
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9. Dr. Oz, what to eat - you really can't see the relevance?
As for the link to the tribute to whistleblower biotech scientist Arpad Pusztai, don't you see that it clearly provides the rationale for Dr. Oz's program on GMOs in food?


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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 10:57 AM
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10. No, I can't see any of that.
Especially since you used the GMO bit as a distraction in discussions about vaccines.
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 11:55 AM
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11. The IMMUNE SYSTEM is central to discussions of both vaccination and GMOs.
Of course, the expectation would be that unless a specific food allergy is present, food consumed would not elicit an immune response.

GMOs apparently aren't always inert to the immune system in MICE. For example, here:

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf802059w?prevSearch=Intestinal+and+peripheral+immune+response&searchHistoryKey

Intestinal and Peripheral Immune Response to MON810 Maize Ingestion in Weaning and Old Mice

Alberto Finamore, Marianna Roselli, Serena Britti, Giovanni Monastra, Roberto Ambra, Aida Turrini and Elena Mengheri*
Istituto Nazionale di Ricerca per gli Alimenti e la Nutrizione, Via Ardeatina 546, 00178 Roma, Italy

J. Agric. Food Chem., 2008, 56 (23), pp 11533–11539

DOI: 10.1021/jf802059w

Publication Date (Web): November 14, 2008
Copyright © 2008 American Chemical Society


ABSTRACT:

This study evaluated the gut and peripheral immune response to genetically modified (GM) maize in mice in vulnerable conditions. Weaning and old mice were fed a diet containing MON810 or its parental control maize or a pellet diet containing a GM-free maize for 30 and 90 days. The immunophenotype of intestinal intraepithelial, spleen, and blood lymphocytes of control maize fed mice was similar to that of pellet fed mice. As compared to control maize, MON810 maize induced alterations in the percentage of T and B cells and of CD4+, CD8+, γδT, and αβT subpopulations of weaning and old mice fed for 30 or 90 days, respectively, at the gut and peripheral sites. An increase of serum IL-6, IL-13, IL-12p70, and MIP-1β after MON810 feeding was also found. These results suggest the importance of the gut and peripheral immune response to GM crop ingestion as well as the age of the consumer in the GMO safety evaluation.




Of Mice And Men

JUST ME SPECULATING HERE: Everybody knows you're not supposed to vaccinate when the immune system is revved up (fever, etc) because it is associated with an increased incidence of adverse reactions. Can the events observed above also occur in humans? What if GMOs in some kids activate the immune system in an asymptomatic (afebrile) response which also should be a contraindication to proceeding with vaccination?

Everyone should be demanding answers.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 01:13 PM
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13. And the shark is jumped once again!
:rofl:
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:27 AM
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15. Nice dodge. I very carefully separated fact from purely personal speculation.
You can't fairly dismiss the entire post.

Specifically, please respond to the peer review journal published article stating:
"These results suggest the importance of the gut and peripheral immune response to GM crop ingestion as well as the age of the consumer in the GMO safety evaluation."

Comments? Huh? Cognitive dissonance is harsh.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:29 AM
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16. How is stating the reality of the situation a "dodge."
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 11:29 AM by HuckleB
:rofl:

BTW, no one needs to dodge anything you've offered to date. Your posts fall apart on their own.
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:39 AM
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19. Address the paper's findings or admit the validity of new questions raised on GMOs.
Just stop getting personal. It's tedious and I think you're better than that, at least science is, as I'm sure you know.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:41 AM
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20. Maybe you haven't noticed, but this thread is not about GMOs.
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 11:43 AM by HuckleB
Do you think it's that easy to distract people? (On the other hand, apparently you do not understand the actual value of a mice study. And, no, there is no point in discussing it further.)

:rofl:
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:33 PM
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21. Oz on food recommendations (yours)... Oz on GMOs in food (mine). How is that not germane?
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 02:38 PM by proverbialwisdom
Aren't animal studies ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_testing ) supposed to precede human trials?

Much of that SCIENCE was circumvented in the development of GMOs by the creation and application of the concept of 'substantial equivalence'
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substantial_equivalence ) by presidential signing statement.

Not scientific, not acceptable.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/25/business/25FOOD.html?pagewanted=all

January 25, 2001

Biotechnology Food: From the Lab to a Debacle

By KURT EICHENWALD, GINA KOLATA and MELODY PETERSEN


The following article was reported by Kurt Eichenwald, Gina Kolata and Melody Petersen and was written by Mr. Eichenwald.

In late 1986, four executives of the Monsanto Company, the leader in agricultural biotechnology, paid a visit to Vice President George Bush at the White House to make an unusual pitch. Although the Reagan administration had been championing deregulation across multiple industries, Monsanto had a different idea: the company wanted its new technology, genetically modified food, to be governed by rules issued in Washington — and wanted the White House to champion the idea. "There were no products at the time," Leonard Guarraia, a former Monsanto executive who attended the Bush meeting, recalled in a recent interview. "But we bugged him for regulation. We told him that we have to be regulated."

Government guidelines, the executives reasoned, would reassure a public that was growing skittish about the safety of this radical new science. Without such controls, they feared, consumers might become so wary they could doom the multibillion-dollar gamble that the industry was taking in its efforts to redesign plants using genes from other organisms — including other species. In the weeks and months that followed, the White House complied, working behind the scenes to help Monsanto — long a political power with deep connections in Washington — get the regulations that it wanted. It was an outcome that would be repeated, again and again, through three administrations. What Monsanto wished for from Washington, Monsanto — and, by extension, the biotechnology industry — got. If the company's strategy demanded regulations, rules favored by the industry were adopted. And when the company abruptly decided that it needed to throw off the regulations and speed its foods to market, the White House quickly ushered through an unusually generous policy of self-policing. Even longtime Washington hands said that the control this nascent industry exerted over its own regulatory destiny — through the Environmental Protection Agency, the Agriculture Department and ultimately the Food and Drug Administration — was astonishing.

<...> More at link.



http://www.seedsofdeception.com/utility/showArticle/?objectID=1479

...FDA microbiologist Louis Pribyl wrote about the policy, “What has happened to the scientific elements of this document? Without a sound scientific base to rest on, this becomes a broad, general, ‘What do I have to do to avoid trouble’-type document. . . . It will look like and probably be just a political document. . . . It reads very pro-industry, especially in the area of unintended effects.”<8>

The FDA scientists’ concerns were not only ignored, their very existence was denied. Consider the private memo summarizing opinions at the FDA, which stated, “The processes of genetic engineering and traditional breeding are different and according to the technical experts in the agency, they lead to different risks.”<9> Contrast that with the official policy statement: “The agency is not aware of any information showing that foods derived by these new methods differ from other foods in any meaningful or uniform way.”<10> On the basis of this manufactured and false notion of no meaningful differences, the FDA does not require GM food safety testing.

To further justify their lack of oversight, they claimed that GM crops were “substantially equivalent” to their natural counterparts.
But this concept does not hold up to scrutiny. The Royal Society of Canada described substantial equivalence as “scientifically unjustifiable and inconsistent with precautionary regulation of the technology.” In sharp contrast to the FDA’s position, the Royal Society of Canada said that “the default prediction” for GM crops would include “a range of collateral changes in expression of other genes, changes in the pattern of proteins produced and/or changes in metabolic activities.”<11>

Footnotes:
11] “Elements of Precaution: Recommendations for the Regulation of Food Biotechnology in Canada; An Expert Panel Report on the Future of Food Biotechnology prepared by The Royal Society of Canada at the request of Health Canada Canadian Food Inspection Agency and Environment Canada” The Royal Society of Canada, January 2001.


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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 03:01 PM
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22. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
This thread is not about GMOs, no matter how much you want to make it about GMOs.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 03:52 PM
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7. How fame has corrupted Dr. Mehmet Oz
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 12:01 PM
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12. The comments posted in the links you provided are as worthwhile as the articles.
At least I agreed with many.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 01:20 PM
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14. Sure, they are. Uh, that is, if one chooses to ignore the evidence provided in the articles.
The comments are mostly a bunch of blind-faith Oz worshippers, who don't care about science.
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:31 AM
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17. The comments are by other physicians who happen to defend Oz's overall performance.
Perfection is hard to find in the real world.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:32 AM
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18. LOL!
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 11:35 AM by HuckleB
:rofl:

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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 10:25 AM
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23. those are all links to sites that are "opinion" that supports
your "opinion" of Dr. Oz.

It's merely all opinion....I guess that was your point. :-)
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