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Wed Feb-04-09 07:48 PM
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The "freedom to be born"? |
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Where are they deriving this freedom? Is it a constitutional concept or another attempt to inject Evangelicalism into law? Or pretend it was some kind of idea from the Framers.
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Wed Feb-04-09 07:51 PM
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1. You'll have to tell us more, if you expect somekind of answer. |
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Wed Feb-04-09 08:12 PM
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10. I'm in a debate about FOCA- elsewhere |
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Edited on Wed Feb-04-09 08:13 PM by rusty charly
and this phrase was thrown at me. Never heard it. When I googled it, it's all Anti-Choice marches, Catholic websites, Steve Forbes (!), etc. I responded with the slippery slope of granting a grouping of three cells complete Constitutional rights. But, thought I might get a more legal or detailed or researched response than what I first came up with.
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Wed Feb-04-09 08:16 PM
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11. Ok, so? Do spontaneously miscarried zygotes, blastocysts & fetuses have rights of inheritance? |
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Wed Feb-04-09 07:55 PM
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2. Freedom to inspect any vagina at any time for any reason on any suspicion. |
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At the drop of a hat, so to speak.
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Wed Feb-04-09 08:00 PM
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6. Vagina Freedom's Receptacle |
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Edited on Wed Feb-04-09 08:01 PM by StClone
Anti-abortion Whack jobs will witness the end of the world before they will concede that abortion is what is -- none of their damn business unless they are having one!
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Wed Feb-04-09 08:22 PM
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12. Blasphemers one and all and I'm NOT kidding about that! |
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Wed Feb-04-09 07:58 PM
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3. Injecting Evangelicalism into law. |
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Edited on Wed Feb-04-09 08:00 PM by Veritas_et_Aequitas
I'm guessing the logic is:
Assume: Embryos and unborn forms of human life are legal persons Assume: All legal persons are entitled to full rights guaranteed under the Constitution including the implied rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as stated in the Declaration of Independence and covered under the 9th amendment.
Therefore: Embryos et al are protected by the Constitution. Therefore: Embryos have an inherent right to life. Therefore: Embryos have a freedom under the 9th amendment as to protect their right to life.
At least I think that's what they're shooting for.
Edited because I always confuse the 9th and 10th amendments.
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Wed Feb-04-09 08:06 PM
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8. You wrote a good summary. n/t |
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Sat Feb-07-09 02:33 PM
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16. injecting reality into reality |
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"Assume: All legal persons are entitled to full rights guaranteed under the Constitution including the implied rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as stated in the Declaration of Independence and covered under the 9th amendment."
When do women get the same rights as the "unborn"?!
:bounce:
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Wed Feb-04-09 07:58 PM
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4. By storks and in cabbage patches |
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Wed Feb-04-09 07:58 PM
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5. Every sperm is sacred. |
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Wed Feb-04-09 08:02 PM
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So all those unimbedded eggs that get washed out in monthly menstrual flows are having their rights violated by - uh, wait, I can do this - by the homicidal maniac that is Mother Nature?
In that case, we must imprison every fertile female and make sure she doesn't menstruate.
There. I know I could go insane long enough to come up with this post.
Thank you.
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Wed Feb-04-09 08:09 PM
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9. They deny the existence of a woman as a separate |
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and fully formed human being who wants to protect her life against an unwanted pregnancy.
Only by denying the humanity of women does their stupid argument make any sense at all.
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Wed Feb-04-09 08:39 PM
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13. The insane, RW fundies are trying to frame the argument again. |
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These are the same minds that came up with the concept that THEY are pro-life, while those of us who believe in FREEDOM OF CHOICE, are actually murderers!!! The insanity of it all is mind boggling. The hypocrisy is sickening. These "PRO-LIFERS" - actually anti-choice - are the same people who are rabid supporters of capital punishment and the rush to war. They are against prenatal health care for the mother, post-natal care for the baby, as well as education, housing and food for the child after it has left the womb.
The only life they are really "FOR" is that within a woman's womb. Other than that, they could not give a crap who lives, dies, starves, freezes to death, or gets killed by an IED in Iraq.
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Wed Feb-04-09 08:39 PM
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14. try telling the insurance company that they have to pay in full for a death |
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when your pregnancy naturally aborts ...
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Thu Feb-05-09 08:24 AM
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15. No. The "freedom to control women" is what it's about. n/t |
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