I have little doubt that he will one day be called

[UrbScotty]

St. John Paul II

That has a ring to it.

[JohnKleeb]

1. Wouldn't it be St. Karol actually?

[UrbScotty]

2. Pius X is called St. Pius X

John XXIII is called Blessed John XXIII.

[JohnKleeb]

3. Thanks

[regnaD kciN]

4. Perhaps, but...

...I hope not before we also have St. John XXIII.

(By the way, isn't it at least a little bit embarrassing that the late Pope John is already on the Lutheran calendar of saints, but not that of his own Church?)

[DemBones DemBones]

6. Why should it be an

embarrassment to Catholics that the Lutheran Church "makes a saint" more quickly than we do? Do you know what the Lutheran criteria are? (Mostly, must there be two medically-certified miraculous cures attributed to the saint-hopeful's intercession? And how intense is their investigation?) I'm not saying the Catholic process is better, but it is different from the Lutheran, I'm sure.

After John XXIII's death, there was a great deal of sentiment for the Council of Vatican II to proclaim him a saint by acclamation right away but that would have destroyed a centuries-old process for beatification and canonization, and cooler heads prevailed.

Many, many people believed Mother Teresa (now Blessed Teresa of Calcutta) to be a living saint, and the same for Padre Pio (now Saint Pio), but they weren't canonized quickly, either. Pio died in 1968 and was canonized in 2002, but many "causes" for sainthood take much, much longer. With popes, especially modern popes, there are so many documents to be study because they have extensive records of their work, perhaps hundreds of times as many as Padre Pio or Mother Teresa. All the records have to be examined, the body has to be exhumed and examined, etc.

(I happened to read something just the other day about this very question of when does John XXIII get a sainthood?!)

[Matilda]

7. Mother Teresa's beatification was fast-tracked by JPII.

Normally, the process cannot begin until five years after the death
of a person, but he began the process in just two years after she
died, and she was beatified in 2003, six years after her death.

The beatification process for John XXIII was begun in 1965 under
Paul VI, just two years after his death, but he was not finally
beatified until 2000 - 35 years later.

The process of both is a reflection of the personal views of JPII.
I believe that Roncalli (John XXIII) was a great man and a great
pope, who brought the word "love" back into the Church. That's
the word that comes to my mind whenever I think of him. But he
was heartily disliked by the conservatives in the Church, of whom
Karol Woytila was one, because he was considered socially
and theologically progressive. Good for him; his canonisation can't
come soon enough for me.

I'd rather not discuss Pius IX, because I think the doctrine of
infallibility is one of the most stupid decrees of any pope, and
moreover it went against the advice of many, if not a majority, of
bishops at the time. It was a political move, designed to thwart
the "Modernists" in the Church - a label that was later to be
put on John XXIII.

[regnaD kciN]

8. I know the Roman canonization process is thorough...

...but it sure seems like it gets streamlined in some cases (such as the founder of the Opus Dei). It amazes me that it took around forty years for John XXIII to even reach "beatified" status.

[UrbScotty]

9. Was Opus Dei's founder really beatified?

I read in The Da Vinci Code that he was, but of course it's fiction.

[Spider Jerusalem]

10. Not just beatified, canonised.

In 2002.

[regnaD kciN]

11. While it's a safe bet that, if it's in The DaVinci Code, it's B.S....

...in this particular case, the info is correct.

[elshiva]

5. Maybe...

:shrug: