behavior mod..in depth..Discuss?

[undergroundpanther]

I have been subjected to various kinds of behavior modification in Hospitals I was at during different stays.I was one of these rebellious kinds of patients.A pain in the ass to authoritarians. I was put on a Behavior mod unit..And I hated the behavior mod games,the silly "point sheets" and the store " set up to "spend" points, It was crass humiliating and dehumanizing(In rebellion I staged a hiest,I held up the point store in the hospital with a supersoaker..and it was hilarious It ruined the point ledger books too.).

On the surface this kind of shit looks benign but living through it you begin to feel like a performing dog jumping up for treats on command. If you don't jump eventually the staff will try the punish mode if you refuse to go along with"treatment". Behavior modification was no "sucess" story for me. It started a psychological war and I will not be broken by the likes of bullies...and I am traumatized from it all.

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*By Dave McGowan*
August 2000

*" technologies are conditioning a growing segment of the society to regard all deviance as sickness and to accept*
* increasingly narrow standards of acceptable behavior as scientifically normative ... Together the new programs and technologies*
* are part of a burgeoning establishment involving welfare institutions, universities, hospitals, the drug industry, government at*
* all levels, and organized psychiatry (itself in large part a creation of government) ... The ideal, in the view of the behaviorists, is*
* the paranoid's dream, a method so smooth that no one will know his behavior is being manipulated and against which no*
* resistance is therefore possible ... There is no longer a set of impositions which he can regard as unjust or capricious and against*
* which he can dream of rebelling. To entertain such dreams would be madness. Gradually, even the ability to imagine*
* alternatives begins to fade. This is, after all, not only the best of all possible worlds; it is the only one."*
* Peter Schrag Mind Control, Pantheon 1978*

"In his Orwellian titled book, Physical Control of the Mind: Toward a Psychocivilized Society, Delgado wrote that "the integration of neurophysiological and psychological principles to a more intelligent education, starting from the moment of birth and continuing throughout life, with the preconceived plan of escaping from the blind forces of chance and of influencing cerebral mechanisms and mental structure in order to create a future man with greater personal freedom and originality, a member of a psychocivilized society, happier, less destructive, and better balanced than present man."

He supported the mass drugging of America with "tranquilizers, energizers, and other psychoactive drugs," which he claimed were "highly beneficial both for patients and for relatively normal persons who need pharmacological help to cope with the pressures of civilized life." Lobotomy was proposed as the answer to crime: "the possibility of surgical rehabilitation of criminals has been considered by several scientists as more humane, more promising, and less damaging for the individual than his incarceration
for life."


Where these quotes on Dlegado ..ect.are from...
http://www.geocities.com/maymartin2001/pandemonium00083...


See an examples...of this drugging of America..here:
http://www.unknownnews.org/050426mentalhealth.html
http://www.neurodiversity.com/psychiatry.html

....."Delgado also made the rather remarkable observation that: "In some old plantations slaves behaved very well, worked hard, were submissive to their masters, and were probably happier than some of the free blacks in modern ghettos." Ahh, the good old days. Delgado next noted that: "In several dictatorial countries the general population is skillful, productive, well behaved, and perhaps as happy as those in more democratic societies."
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Could this be the modern eqivalents?

http://slate.msn.com/id/2108083 /
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" Five years after penning his manifesto, Delgado appeared before the U.S. Congress and proclaimed: "We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated ... The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective ... Man does not have the right to develop his own mind."



(read about Haldol Implants, Not developing the mind indeed..)
http://www.pmhca.org/pages/newsletters/visions_fall_200...


(Some schools now use a Time out room now.. which is the same as a seclusion/restraint room like you see in Mental hospitals) but for "problem" schoolkids.) and 5 year olds get arrested for being"unruly" too. Do you see where this is going folks?...

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"Some call the small padded room at the Farley Elementary School a "safe place" for children with severe behavioral issues. One mother called it a prison. "

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/localRegional/view.bg...

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I call "quiet rooms" a form of behavior modification/incarceration. Behavior modification to me is a nicey name for psdychological sometimes physical torture.Quiet rooms are not"safe" if the staff are not safe to be around without witnesses.
Isolation can be torture...(institutions like schools and Mental hospitals (don't know if it applies to prisions or not) can legally keep someone locked in a room indefinately as long as they get out for 15 minutes every two hours.)

So the woman's child in the linked article,above could have been kept in the room for hours for real. Before this law limiting seclusion and restraint was passed a few years back I was kept in a room for months when I was a "troubled adolesent" Overcoming trauma.. In the name of Behavior modification I was tortured more.)And Mental hospitals will ignore the laws too..People end up dead..I kid you not.

A mental hospital is a little enclave of fascism a total envioronment where all your rights as a human being can be taken away.

http://www.nj.com/news/expresstimes/nj/index.ssf?/news/...
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=1-158648161...
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"The harsh reality is that psychology has little to do with bettering the human condition and alleviating suffering, and everything
to do with lending legitimacy to the corporate capitalist state and justifying as individual failings the ever increasing levels of
suffering inflicted by the state onto society. As Frederick Winslow Taylor - the exalted father of 'scientific management,' an early
euphemism for the deskilling of labor and the reduction of the American labor force to interchangeable, easily exploited automatons
- so succinctly stated many decades ago: "in the past the man had been first; in the future the system must be first."
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A world without labor..
http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20050228/1523 /
http://www.ismretail.com/articles/2002_02/020202.htm
http://www.ispso.org/Symposia/Toronto/1999stein.htm
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"..... we are all victims of one of the big lies of American society - the one that says that if we educate ourselves, work hard and apply our talents, there is absolutely nothing we cannot achieve. We are taught from birth that anyone in this great country can rise up to the highest strata of society if we so choose, that if we have the drive and ability, nothing can hold us back. George W. Bush articulated this very message from the campaign trail recently when he said: "One of the wonderful things about America is, it doesn't matter who you are or where you're from. If you work hard, dream big, the notion of owning your own business applies to everybody."

Conversely, if we should fail we have no one but ourselves to blame, for we must not be smart enough, talented enough, or educated enough - or we just didn't try hard enough. The brutal reality though is that in the real world, the sons of the rich and powerful will assume their fathers' seats in the boardrooms of America regardless of their qualifications (George, Jr. being a primemexample), while the most talented of kids from America's 'inner cities' will live and die without ever seeing the world beyond the confines of their neighborhoods.That is the reality for the majority of Americans. And yet we are encouraged, in fact required, to set goals for ourselves that are impossible to attain, to buy into the Big Lie. When we inevitably fail to achieve these goals, which the social structure has deliberately put out of our reach, we are required to blame only ourselves.

The system has not failed you, you have failed because you are a fucking loser. You're too fucking lazy to succeed. You're too fucking stupid to succeed. So stop looking for scapegoats and accept the fact that you determine your own fate. ..."
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That quote above, THAT is the LIE!! That is what they want us(common people) to believe....and ther'll torture us to make us act like we believe it,Torture Iraqis,torture anyone,they'll even torture our kids to make them obey authority and work a lifetime for what is made impossible because of this unspoken inequality..No wonder so many kids commit suicide now,,why drugs are such a problem,why depression is so bad..It's no mystery to me.

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Jun 27, 2004 - A new plan by the Bush administration to test the nation's public school population for mental disorders and treat them with controversial drugs has raised an alarm among some medical science watchdogs and members of the mental health community.

The White House is expected to announce a mental health and disability initiative that recommends the screening and treatment of the country’s K-12 students. The plan is based on a Texas program a government whistleblower has called "a Trojan horse" for pharmaceutical companies.


http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&it...
http://www.unknownnews.org/050426mentalhealth.html
http://www.unknownnews.net/040712a-upits.html

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I am scared for America if we do not wake up and see the danger in trusting these people with our experinces our minds and the truths we see with our minds, expireinces and emotions ourselves.We must not klet other people tell us how we should be or what we think we should want.People that create and protect this system want us to believe that big lie about ourselves..THis society is built upon LIES that HURT so many people inside! It has to stop somewhere.


Straight A's
By the Dead Kennedys...

Sixteen, on the honor roll
I wish that I was dead
Parents hate me, I got zits
And bruises 'round my head

Pressure's on to get good grades
So I can be like them
Do my homework all the time
I can't go out just then

People they ain't friends at all
They tease and suck me dry
Yell at me when I fuck up
And party while I cry
I look so big on paper
I feel so fucking small
Wanna die and you don't care
Just stride on down the hall

Suicide suicide
Read the paper, wonder why
Turn the light out, then you cry
It's your fault, you made me die

Touch me won't you touch me now
So frozen I can't love
When I was born my mama cried
And picked me up with gloves

Girls, they kick me in the eye
Want answers to the tests
When they get them they drive off
And leave me home to rest

Hold my head
Make me warm
Tell me I am loved
Give me hope
Let me cry
Make me feel
Give me touch

The window's broken bleeding screaming
Lying in the hall
I'm gone no one remembers me
A picture on the wall
"He was such a bright boy
The future in his hands…"
—Or a spineless human pinball
Shot around by your demands

Suicide suicide
Goin' to sleep and when I die
You'll look up and realize
Then look down and wipe your eyes
Then go back to your stupid lives
Aw shit !

[hedgehog]

1. Do you have any idea what behavior they were trying to modify?

I agree, behavior modification can be a cover for bullying. I absolutely detest the teacher-student contracts so popular now. What would happen if the students didn't sign? Does anyone think the teachers are going to allow anything to go into or be left out of those contracts that they didn't already plan on?

On the other hand, if I keep tearing myself down or allow others to or engage in self destructive behaviors, I need to modify my behavior. I think that's what talk therapy is about, identifying and modifying harmful behaviors and attitudes.

I have read many memoirs of depression. Some people cling to their depression because it some ways it is rewarding. Therapy and/or pills can't help these people because they are fighting every step of the way to stay sick. In fact, they get a certain satisfaction out of thwarting treatment. I'm talking about someone who is taking an anti-depressant followed by an alcohol or cocaine chaser who then boldly announces that the antidepressant did nothing for them. I'm not talking about someone who hasn't been able to find on effective treatment or who rejects incompetent medical care.

[undergroundpanther]

2. OK

I hear ya..

But you brought up people that don't want to get better...

What makes it OK in your mind to FORCE them to"straighten out" and behave in a way that looks better to you or society?? Is it ever right to coerce manipulate ,punish and bribe people you think are sick to behave differently?

If someone is sick and fights wellness it is their right to be where they are. You can lead a hose to water...

But the minute you hook up a funnel and strap the horse down and say if you don't drink this,well make you do it ,for your own good...?


Is annoying behavior evil? Or not?
Are they hurting others on purpose? Yes or no?
Are they bullying,making sport of others suffering?
Do they lack a conscience?

A conscience is required if a person is to ever feel the need for change..if said person isn't causing harm and are just neurotic or psychotic than why manipulate them like a disobedient puppy?

If they are just neurotic,what do you think gives you the right to bully them into appearing"better" or"normal"? By applying behavior mod, aren't you being a bit of a presumptuous tyrant manipulating people who annoy or scare you for your own purposes?
Where do you draw that line? And what gives you the right to draw it on others and fuck with their heads and emotions to get them to conform?


When is behavior mod just control freakishness?

[undergroundpanther]

3. In other words

The Essence of freedom itself is in the ability to say NO to any"authority"request or contract, refuse and resist a imposition or request made by anyone or any institutions.

You take away a persons freedom when you take away their right to NOT go along with your demands or treatment and 'norms'.You take away their right to be where they are at and heal in the way they direct illness doesn't heal on the company's time clock.. Therapists have no clue what causes mental illness.They got alot of theories and guesses they pin a hell of alot on the individual,none of them are clear and no cure has been prov en effective across the board repeatably. Helping mental illness isn't about making behavior fit some ideal,it's about helping people cope with a really warped reality and helping them come to terms with the human condition. I think mental illness comes from culture as much as anything else,from being abused and brutality of the civilizing process we go through to make us good workers and consumers to fit in with a sick manipulating dehumanizing stifling coercive culture that thinks it's sane.Every person raised in America is subjected to B mod through parents, church and marketing BTW. And still our country is fucked.

No one has the right to dominate another person and apply force to a patient who is not actively hurting others just because they don't like dealing with their refusal to agree with you and believe that their 'sickness' is bad and makes them inferior.

Control, manipulation, reward and punishment games is not a healthy way to deal with a human being,a person equal in worth to yourself..
However if obedience and conformity is your goal....

[hedgehog]

4. You've opened an extra large can of worms.

Society has historically used the term mental illness to label people it wanted to control. I'm thinking of 19th century attitudes towards "uppity" women here. Yet there is a group of real diseases of the brain which cause real pain. Then there are the gray areas. How does society separate the cases of behavior that it disapproves of from cases involving real illness? People in a bipolar manic phase or caught in schizophrenia sometimes avoid treatment because they enjoy the high or they are too fearful to accept treatment. At what point can society force treatment? Further complicating the issue is the fact that it is only in recent years that effective treatments have been available. A prime example of this is electroshock therapy. It is a effective treatment for some depressions that don't respond to other methods but it was misapplied for so many years that it has a bad reputation.
For those of us on the inside, I think we have to ask ourselves several questions:
Is my behavior causing me pain or damaging my life? Is it dangerous or damaging to others? Is it something I can control or does it control me? Is it something I want to change? Why do others want this behavior to change? You shouldn't force the horse to drink, but maybe the horse needs to ask itself if it is thirsty. Then the problem is to find a good source of water, not a poisoned well.

[undergroundpanther]

5. The worms

If this can of worms goes unexamined the problem plaguing our country the rot from the top down inside out will not be resolved.



>Society has historically used the term mental illness to label >people it wanted to control.

Agreed..The ways used were often barbaric.
Women in marriages back then had mental patient style human rights.. and on top of no respect they could be legally beaten by their husbands if they got uppity.One thing people forget is the ugly side of marriage is the subjugation represented by the shackle of the wedding ring....long ago marriage was the only way a woman could survive..before women entered the workforce.Domestic life was slavery for women,and women had no rights they were legal punching bags, servants, legacy generators ego props for men. and sex toys who could not say no.

Every institution and "norm"the state sanctions and enforces has a control aspect to it that can be misused. The citizen and the state are shackled together in an abusive marriage. When a person seeks help they seek help not to have their mind changed by force as if they were married and took a vow to change because they needed a refuge from pain..


>I'm thinking of 19th century attitudes toward "uppity" women here. >Yet there is a group of real diseases of the brain which cause real >pain.

Are you so sure it's ONLY the brain? Could it be the brain and the environment and society at large working together? I don't think letting the medical model be the only model serves everyone.
Abuse of power causes pain too.

>Then there are the gray areas. How does society separate the cases >of behavior that it disapproves of from cases involving real >illness?


And where does this "approval or disapproval" come from,how was it made up ,by whom,and what function do these arbritrary things have,in a top down social structure system like ours, and why is it OK?

>People in a bipolar manic phase or caught in schizophrenia sometimes >avoid treatment because they enjoy the high

And guess what, Normal people do self destructive stuff because "they enjoy the high".and some mental ill people never get diagnosed Look at GW Bush...

If you are serious about this high issue. to eliminate highs for manics and schizophrenics, because you think they should not do what normals do...than Get rid of every bar(booze high),Every lottery or horse race,(winners highs)every gym(runners high)every starbucks(caffeine highs)Ban fast food(carb/fat highs)Ban sex(orgasm high) Ban TV (TV and movies induces altered states and gets the brain to release opiates)Ban roller coasters and bungee jumpers(adrenalin highs)Ban tattoo shops(endorphin highs)Ban religion(hypnosis highs and controlled hysteria highs) and ban every other place where humans can legally or by force alter our usual state of consciousness into something else if that is the issue...here.Are you serious about eliminating highs? Than you will kill spirituality and the very sanity you seek to find.Freedom is messy.Freedom can be rude,dangerous, smelly and contrary,make no sense, and be a pain in the ass.

You know people who are not addicts or manic also get drunk just to enjoy the high, they exercise 3 times a week till they buzz,and alot of people crazy and sane alike drink coffee or Red bull to give themselves wings or to get a jolt..It appears you are being frustrated at not being able to CONTROL others.Are you trying to delineate who can get a buzz and who can't based on the DSM 4,that book declares who are the offending people that are not worthy of altering their own consiousness...Where do you draw the line on forcing and imposing your ways upon how OTHER people who are also struggling to have a comfortable state of mind?

>or they are too fearful to accept treatment.

With good reason sometimes..Ever get shot up with 1000 mg of Thorazine because you told a staff gas lighting you to fuck off?? Ever get shot up with Anectine to make you "behave"? Ever spend over 6 months in a room locked in there? Ever have to pee and poop in front of watchful eyes? If you have not been there and been been mistreated or humiliated on the inside of a psych ward than you have no clue what dread the fear of misuse of power in a totalitarian environment is like ... for these people Betrayed and unwilling to trust authoritarian abusive people to find sanity are in a desperate place..and they..are rightfully scared.

Yes It's high time hospitals dealt with the reality staff even therapists can be sociopaths and can get off on having absolute power over patients and fucking with their heads. Nurse ratchet exists because of the structure of the hospital/rehab jail is totalitarian and control freaks and sociopath people will gravitate to where the power is concentrated and not checked.. in the way they seek it..

Where they can do the inhuman things they like to do for entertainment and there is a culture that will tolerate such games and the victims are disbelieved..The mental hospital serves a function but it also has a function no one wants to consider except ex patients and consumer rights/human rights groups which is for the seekers of dominance and power over to abuse vulnerable,messed up dehumanized and socially dis empowered people because they know if they play up the appeals for social control and to "normal" they can get away with anything pretty much in the Hospital...Just like married men in the Victorian days could beat or gaslight their owned wives in total freedom,in the privacy of their homes,while on the outside all was so well " pure , appropriate and so respectable"..Domestic abuse like Slavery was a NORM it was common practice and EXPECTED for hubbies to control their wives before domestic abuse laws were passed..and still domestic abuse is common and has sympathizers and enablers who label it anything other than what it is. Just read some old books on marriage and managing the home from the Victorian era.It'll curl your hair.And it sounds uncannily like patronizing staff.

>At what point can society force treatment? Further complicating the >issue is the fact that it is only in recent years that effective >treatments have been available.

Effective in what sense? What is sacrificed inside a person for this "treatment" to make them"normal" Is their creativity diminished,their sex drive cut off,are they too passive and more obedient less likely to be a pain in the ass? There are subtle things lost when normal is imposed from without by a drug or control.


>A prime example of this is electroshock therapy. It is a effective >treatment for some depressions that don't respond to other methods >but it was misapplied for so many years that it has a bad >reputation.

Umm Shock to me is a cover for sadism too often.If a doctor cannot tell my why it works or if it will work with any clear reasons other than well nothing else works..I do not want to get shocked.I would rather die than get my brain kicked with electricity like a misbehaving TV set. Read about shock from a HUMAN RIGHTS POV.
http://www.cchr.org/issues/electroshock/
This isn't all just a bunch of hysteria and bad reputation alone.


Shock can kill.I remember other patients getting zapped and how it effected them and seeing how it messed them up I vowed NEVER to undergo it if I could help it..I get desperate for help but not that way.I'd rather kill myself first.


>For those of us on the inside, I think we have to ask ourselves >several questions:
>Is my behavior causing me pain or damaging my life? Is it dangerous >or damaging to others? Is it something I can control or does it >control me?

All good questions..for anyone,not just mental patients to ask. But I say one thing here.. the hurting person MUST have to feel SAFE enough and secure enough in their autonomy and rights as a human being and not be harassed enough by control freaks to even ask it.Fighting off bully staff ,interfering parents or spouses,and all their control games and whatnot do prevent healing. If a patient has a heart they may end up standing up for other patients who were being abused.Because no one else will..For me other people's mostly staff and the"professionals" really interfered with me finding health(what little I got)Because they wanted my health to be in their way,not in MY way. Only when I got my own section 8 apartment,some privacy,freedom and autonomy alongside decent support that I could say NO to,and was not supervised by buttholes 24 -7 could I begin to find out how to make stability in side myself and my life and set my own priorities..


Is it something I want to change? Why do others want this behavior to change? You shouldn't force the horse to drink, but maybe the horse needs to ask itself if it is thirsty. Then the problem is to find a good source of water, not a poisoned well.

And what if it asks and the horse decides it ain't thirsty ..Are you gonna insist it's thirsty or not? Or are you gonna wait,offer compassion in the face of what makes no sense to you..and wait..

you may be surprised sometimes it can take a long time to figure out how thirsty you are,and when people insist,manipulate,force and control..a person who's unable to trust will set about resisting that game and authoritarianism of"for your own good"..This resistance becomes the focus because the threats given by"help" in the name of helping overrides the person's feelings inside themselves and makes sure there is no drop of defenses required for a patient,to ask himself whether inside himself realizes it is thirsty for changes or not.


A beautiful child is laying on a bed talking to me. He says, "I want your help, but I don’t want your help changing my mind.

Men weary as much of not doing the things they want to do as of doing the things they do not want to do. ~Eric Hoffer

"The process of feeling childhood helplessness is absolutely necessary and unavoidable. But it is not, as Janov hoped, of itself sufficient to resolve destructive, and self-destructive, patterns of behavior. . . . as long as the needs continue to be neglected and unfulfilled in the present, old pains and their destructive attendant symptoms will constantly be triggered."
-- Alice Miller in the foreword to Jean Jenson's Reclaiming Your
Life


"Psychologists have a word which is probably used more frequently than any other word in modern psychology. It is the word maladjusted. Well, there are some things in our social system to which I am proud to be maladjusted and to which I suggest that we ought to be maladjusted. I never intend to become adjusted to the evils of segregation and discrimination. I never intend to adjust myself to the tragic inequalities of an economic system which takes necessities from the masses to give luxuries to the classes. The salvation of the world lies in the hands of the maladjusted." Martin Luther King

~"Linguistic theory shows that we interpret new stories in terms of old ones we have internalized and now use to judge reality.When new stories deviate too drastically from those that form our current understanding,we denounce them as false or dangerous.The free market of ideas is useful mainly for solving small clearly bounded disputes.
History shows it has proven much less useful for redressing systemic evils such as racism and sexism.Language requires an interpretive paradigm,which is a certain set of shared meanings that a group agrees to attach to words and terms. If racism is deeply inscribed
in that paradigm carved into a thousand scripts,roles,stories,lifestyles
...
-One cannot speak out against it without appearing incoherent."~

Richard Delgado and Jean Stefinac,Must We Defend Nazis.


Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
-Emo Phillips


;)

[hedgehog]

6. Well, I think we might be coming at this from two directions so

different that we can't really communicate.
I've been lucky enough to find good medical support for a relatively simple mental health issue, if there is such a thing. It's clear to me from family history and from tracking current literature that there is a physical source for depressive illness. Does it interact with external circumstances? Absolutely, but the underlying predisposition is there before any stress occurs.To sum up, my experience is with a clearly physically based disease that I've found good ongoing treatment for.
For others, the situation is very cloudy. Looking at some of the posts here, it is clear that many families are devastated by problems that probably have some physical basis but no clear diagnosis or treatment as of yet. How many times has someone posted about a problem that could be a form of autism or schizophrenia or attention deficit disorder or some weird combination or none of the above? Yet as we both noted, the tag mentally ill has been used to control dissidents of all sorts. Further complicating the issue is that there are a lot of incompetent people and institutions involved in mental health treatment. It appears that you've run into some of them.
As a total amateur, it sounds to me like you need someone you trust to give you an honest reading of your situation. I hope you can find that person.

[undergroundpanther]

7. Taker easy Hedgehog...

and I know we come from opposite ends..may you never become acquainted with the end I found myself on.personally.

When a hospital has absolute control over people,and society thinks this is dandy,because it has certain fears attitudes and ignorance about mental illness and this tendency to project it's own experiences onto people with different ones,and discount the worst preferring the best,the door is open for atrocity. I do not trust powerful people with control issues they do not address because power itself corrupts the wielder and the bystanders alike,when the person being subjected has no say,and no right to refuse and no voice.

This is my issue,it's about protecting human rights.
Just because something appears to work does not mean it applies to all people across the board in a good way every time..Show much suffering is required to get the result? For some people the cost is too high. For them these methods should not be used on them because what helps one person could cause pain for another. We are all different..


Just because you can do behavior mod and it works sometimes,in certain circumstances is not a reasonable rationale or excuse to disregard human rights, consent, and disregard our freedoms.