kwassa
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Tue Nov-27-07 11:04 AM
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ignorance about 12-step programs is so grating ....... |
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Ackk!!
I usually only lurk in here, but I just had to say something.
I am watching people spreading lies about 12-step in the Religion and Theology forum in a current thread on alcoholism and fundamentalism.
I've been in program actively and somewhat inactively since the late '80s, and it is hard to see people misconstruing completely what the program is about.
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Kajsa
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Tue Nov-27-07 02:21 PM
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1. I just read that thread, kwassa. |
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It is astounding the amount of misinformation that is out there regarding the program, a higher power of your understanding and the 12 steps.
From what I read, the biggest misunderstanding is that turning one's life over to a Higher Power is a sign of weakness.
We know the opposite to be true.
Those who misinterpret that also show a need to be in control of everything in their lives.
Life doesn't work that way.
There are way too many variables.
I'm glad you joined us.
:-) :hi:
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kwassa
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Tue Nov-27-07 03:29 PM
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2. thanks for the welcome |
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It does seem like home to me.
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Tue Nov-27-07 04:38 PM
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We have had some very exciting times here in the old A/R forum concerning the very same thing.
And welcome to this group.
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Tue Nov-27-07 05:57 PM
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4. I may have years in the this program...... |
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but I'm still an alkie, so I'm off to look for the thread
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:hi:
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Tue Nov-27-07 06:09 PM
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Tue Nov-27-07 06:49 PM
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6. You and Varkam did a good job over there. eom |
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Tue Nov-27-07 07:35 PM
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And conscious evolution, one of us, was also there doing a great job.
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Tue Nov-27-07 08:00 PM
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9. several good responders over there, and the usual suspects denigrating the 12 steps |
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but there is a point from the OP that is very true
IME (and only speaking my experience here) folks who look to fundy religion to 'cure' their drinking are miserable SOBs in general (our POTUS is a perfect example)
like it says in the BB
Almost none of us liked the self-searching, the leveling of our pride, the confession of shortcomings which the process requires for its successful consummation. But we saw that it really worked in others, and we had come to believe in the hopelessness and futility of life as we had been living it.
I think those who turn to a "Daddy" church are trying to avoid the "the self-searching, the leveling of our pride, the confession of shortcomings" part
just my opinion of course, your mileage may vary
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Tue Nov-27-07 08:27 PM
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10. Yep, it takes a lot of work, ongoing throughout |
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the years to get and stay sober.
I agree with you.
Working the steps is crucial in 12 step recovery.
My sponsor just called me from Oregon! It's so good to remember just where I came from.
:D :hug:
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Tue Nov-27-07 08:58 PM
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I call the two guys who 12 stepped me on my anniversary every year to thank them
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Wed Nov-28-07 10:59 AM
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14. Fundies of all stripes are looking for a new prison. |
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They are scared little people looking for someone or some dogma to be in charge of their life.
AA is meant to set you free. The purpose of AA is to restore you to wholeness and life. Not taking a drink or a drug a day at a time does remarkable things.
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Tue Nov-27-07 09:20 PM
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12. I see the usual haters are over there... |
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Tue Nov-27-07 09:54 PM
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It can get to me sometimes, as well. I think a lot of it has to do with peoples misconceptions from taking the steps at face value. People tend to have a lot of automatic assumptions when it comes to certain words like God or phrases like turn your life and will over. After being in recovery for a while, I definitely think that there is something there for everyone that wants it - regardless of whether or not you believe in a conventional God or not.
Welcome to A/R :pals:
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Wed Nov-28-07 12:12 PM
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15. Shall I pick up a torch and go beat up the monster? |
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17. Torches and pitchforks! |
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Not to mention the flaming brooms.
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