Porn and the Religious right

[ismnotwasm]

In my opinion, Pornography and the religious right have a lot in common. Practically the same thing. Both want to control sexuality. Both are shame based. Both want women in their 'place'. Both are highly manipulative, with the purchasers and producers not understanding or caring about the harm done. Both take a morality view of sex, with the RR saying it's wrong, nasty and dirty, but you know you like it and you're going to hell, and pornography saying it's wrong,and nasty and dirty, but you know you like it. Both contribute to sex-based crimes. Both are hypocrisy personified. Both are bullshit. Any thoughts? (There are actually good articles to this effect, I'll try to look for them later)

[Katherine Brengle]

1. Agreed.

I would love to read anything you find.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. I disagree.

The Religious right is anti-pornography and it and others who do are a regular who's-who in the rogues gallery of enemies of feminism. The Christian Coalition, Family Research Council, the Taliban, Saudi Arabia, Anthony Comstock, etc.

"pornography saying it's wrong,and nasty and dirty, but you know you like it."

I've no idea how you're interpreting pornography to be saying "it's wrong."

Seems just the opposite to me.

"Both contribute to sex-based crimes."

Are you sure? Aren't society's with free and widespread access to pornography less prone to sex crimes than those that aren't?

"Both are hypocrisy personified."

Hypocrisy?

[ismnotwasm]

3. Really?

Watch any porn? Seem like folks like it "dirty, nasty and wrong" to me. Watch others doing things like group sex, multiple penetration and the like without participating directly. Or ever thinking about it, outside of fantasy.

And the folks that I know who are more sexually free aren't big porn fans. Not non-fans, just not the big fans those who use the pain-filled other in a media form to get their rocks off. Too busy in their own grove.

The "societies with free and unrestricted access to porn, less prone to sex crimes" what, like the US? I live in a neighborhood I can get any porn I want. Any kind I want. Practically anytime I want since I know one of the shops owners. In fact, I don't have to move, I'm one or two clicks away as I sit from any kind of porn I want. Sex crimes all over the place in the US.

I suppose you're referring to the Japan and Netherlands studies.

The "enemy" of feminism is patriarchy. In the religious right, in porn, in pimps in DC no matter what their sex is, in all the inequities of societies that subjugate women.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Sure.

"Seem like folks like it "dirty, nasty and wrong" to me."

I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. Why would they be doing it if they thought it was wrong?

"the folks that I know who are more sexually free aren't big porn fans."

Same here. I don't think anybody's a "big porn fan." It's just sort of there. I think the idea that people become "obsessed" or "addicted" to porn is greatly exaggerated.

"Not non-fans, just not the big fans those who use the pain-filled other in a media form to get their rocks off."

I'm not sure what that sentence means.

"I live in a neighborhood I can get any porn I want. Any kind I want. Practically anytime I want since I know one of the shops owners. In fact, I don't have to move, I'm one or two clicks away as I sit from any kind of porn I want. Sex crimes all over the place in the US."

Well, sure. Sex crimes happen all over the world, particularly in places where people like the religious right also censor the stuff.

"I suppose you're referring to the Japan and Netherlands studies."

Could have been. There was a thread about it either here, or in the women's rights forum a few weeks ago.

"The "enemy" of feminism is patriarchy."

I agree wholeheartedly. And I think it would be very, very patriarchal of me to tell consenting adults what they should and shouldn't do with their bodies.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

9. They deliberately refuse to see the forest for the trees

I refuse to engage with poster you responded to but I think you are making points from a holistic and systemic standpoint, while he is choosing to pick apart singular details and make it about individuals. Just like a right winger.

It's like you say, it's all about the patriarchy and both porn-stitution and religious conservatism exist to enforce it. Thanks for the compliment on the other thread, BTW.

[Katherine Brengle]

10. Our reasons are not the same. Who cares if the end result is agreement of a sort?

It doesn't matter one bit to me if conservative Christians are anti-pornography or not. Their reasons are NOT my reasons.

[Branjor]

4. Agreed.

I belong to a radical feminist board which was hacked two nights ago and spammed with porn and misogynist slurs. Ever notice how men love to claim that porn is harmless but the minute they want to silence and intimidate women, out comes the porn and the sexist insults?

[gaspee]

6. How can you not

notice. On the thread about Riddle and the Texas pledge, one lovely DU'er thought it was perfectly OK to insult her by calling her an "ignorant slut."

Isn't that just so typical?

[iverglas]

7. whew, great point

the minute they want to silence and intimidate women, out comes the porn

But Branjor, you ignorant slut -- don't you know that WOMEN LOVE THAT STUFF? Why would it occur to anyone in a million years to use it for the purpose of silencing and intimidating women??

Shurely you misunderstood the intent of the hackers. Plainly, they were just wanting to pleasure you. Kinda the really stupid man's idea of flirting.

[ThomCat]

8. Exactly. Porn is harmless, but when they want to harass a woman

at work they post porn in her work area and call her a slut. x(

[Katherine Brengle]

11. It's the same logic as claiming women are too "emotional" and in the next breath

using that excuse that men "think with their dicks" - they disconnect one thing from the other.

Dammit I fucking hate patriarchy and every day that hatred grows stronger and deeper.