On the Today Show: Meet Mr. Date Rape

[SemiCharmedQuark]

So this asshole appears on the Today show. In this article here, they mention his dating "tips". Notice: He comes off as an ass, but not a rapist. http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/22161502/


Now look at what they cheerfully omitted. From this article: http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/12/paul-janka-drinks-seltzer-while-you-get-drunk.php

"Tell the bartender how it is— she works for you for the two hours or so you'll be there. I tell them I don't drink but that I am meeting a lady, and that I don't want her to feel uncomfortable so could they please bring me seltzer waters, in a high-ball glass, with a lime. And call it a Tom Collins. Or a Gin and Tonic if you prefer. Never leave your drink, and don't let the girl sip it— she will freak out, I guarantee you. If you go to the bathroom, take it with you. When done, take both her glass and yours to the bar and give them to the bartender. Also, I find that drinking 2 or 3 seltzers on top of the meal I ate an hour before (solo or with a buddy) can be a challenge; I usually tell the bartender to make mine almost entirely ice; hers, little ice and stiff."

"• "Conversation—What the Hell do I talk about as this Girl gets Liquored-Up? As little as possible, is the answer. At least about yourself. Guys are notorious for blabbing on and on about themselves when out for the first time with a girl. Girls have different brains than we do and follow different cues; talking about your job may seem interesting, and the part about you being "employed" is, but frankly, women don't give a shit about that."

• "Bring the drinks back (it's best to order at the bar while she's sitting on the couch so she can't hear the conversation) and do a nice little toast, making strong eye contact when the glasses clink. Avoid giving orders to the waitress out loud because she may here you say 'Tom Collins' and respond, 'I thought you were drinking seltzer' or something worse."


Fantastic. A man who deliberately conspires to take the ability of a woman to consent away from her. Great interview, Today.

[lightningandsnow]

1. Eww.

:puke:

Why the hell are they glamorizing that?

And yes, it does sound a bit rape-ish.

More than a bit, actually.

[ThomCat]

2. That sounds like an admission of of at least intent to date-rape.

That's a clear plan to get his date heavily drunk while he remains sober. What other reason could have have for wanting to be with a very drunk woman?
:(

[ismnotwasm]

3. What a used buttwipe.

What's the deal with that?

Oh, yeah, misogyny. You know that word we hysterical feminists casually toss around--you know, for effect, and the four syllables. Not that it could, you, know actually be the real root and cause.

:sarcasm:

[noamnety]

4. Ugh, the comments on the MSNBC forum make me want to hurl

A huge percentage of them are along the lines of "It's great that at least he's being honest."

Hell if I know how setting up an elaborate scheme of lies and manipulations to get a woman drunk while remaining sober, and pulling in other waitstaff to help cover your deception, counts as "being honest."

I'm glad I'm not a bartender; I don't know how I'd deal with some asshat customer telling me to make his date's drinks extra strong and asking me to help him fuck (over) women. I'd feel like an accomplice to her rape, and I find it discouraging that he's apparently able to get bartenders to go along with this shit.

[ThomCat]

5. Good point.

If I was a bartender in that bar I hope I'd have the presence of mind to send one of the waitresses over to give a covert warning about what's going on. Telling a waitress what's going on means someone working the room can keep an eye on him.

I hope I'd also think to tell the bouncer. You can always cook up a reason to toss someone out.
x(

[SemiCharmedQuark]

7. If he was honest, he wouldn't mind his date knowing he wasn't drinking alcohol.

[ThomCat]

9. And if he wasn't a predator he wouldn't mind if she was sober.

[BlueIris]

6. Vile. And they say there's no popular encouragement for men to rape women.

[gollygee]

8. And he not only felt comfortable writing that down and signing his name to it

He knew he'd sell tons of copies of a book with that advice in it.

And I'm sure he did.