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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:14 PM
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FDA hates women...
I hadn't heard a word about this:

http://www.naturalnews.com/022595.html

I am not sure what Wyeth's Prempro is composed of or if it is made the same way as Premarin, but we are now seeing logic turned upside down yet again. The hormones that a woman's body produces are an UNAPPROVED DRUG! Since Big Pharma can NOT patent something that occurs in nature, they have to come up with dumbf*ck ideas like this.

Progesterone cream helped me get thru perimenopause. Progesterone is a natural hormone...our bodies produce it naturally. This hormone can be made by a Compounding Pharmacist...same with the three hormones that make up estrogen.

Premarin is an artificial hormone made with the urine of a pregnant mare. A mare is artificially inseminated and stands in a small cell with a catheter stuck inside her until she is ready to give birth. The foal is allowed maybe 3 days with the mother until it is loaded up and turned into dog food, whatever. And then the process starts all over again. Usually the mare lives for about 3 pregnancies and then dies. There are huge 'manufacturing stables' in Canada and in the northern US...the Dakotas and Montana.

This has been going on since the 1950's. That's right...there have been NO new ways to treat symptoms of perimenopause developed. In fact, the medical community doesn't even know what causes a hot flash and don't care to spend the money to find out.

So horse's urine is used to treat women with perimenopausal symptoms...this urine has NEVER been ingested into the female body...a few years ago, research showed that Premarin was increasing cancer risks.

Women started researching the 'natural' ways to treat symptoms...and I guess that has hurt Wyeth's sales of Prempro. Boo fucking hoo.

I hate Corporations....especially Big Pharma Corporations.

I'll go see who is the CEO of Wyeth...maybe we can call and write him.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 08:30 PM
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1. I'm SO glad to see someone post about this...!
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 08:41 PM by bliss_eternal
Thank YOU! Yes, they do seem to have issues with women. They refused for too long to ok the morning after pill. And now this war they are waging on bioidentical hormones.

I posted alerts about this months ago, in a few different forums--when a different company was attempting to destroy our access to compounded medications(which includes bioidentical hormones). In one area of DU, I was flamed and told I was a "conspiracy theorist." :eyes:

Sadly, there's a lot of "sheep" on our side of the aisle, too. ;)

I've followed this issue since I started on compounded meds over a year ago. The issue makes me very angry. I've called my senators every time they try to challenge this. There are usually petitions on sites that support bio-hrt and compounded meds. If you can't find one, let me know--and I'll try to find one you can sign. Every voice/signature helps!

With all the reading and research I've done, I'm convinced starting compounded meds and bio-hrt saved my life.
Had I not replaced the progesterone my body was so deficient in, I was on a course for cancer. And no, none of my doctors at the time had a clue. It was my own perserverance that helped me. I fired the ob/gyn who said "all your tests are normal" and "there's nothing wrong with you." :eyes: Yeah, right.



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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:53 PM
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2. This was the first I had heard about the
attacks on Compounding Pharmacists. Unbelievable. I find my pharmacist to be more helpful than doctors. They can compound for your body weight...and for children.

Between Big Pharma and Big Chem (Monsanto in particular), people and the earth are going to be wiped out.

I had no idea that deficiency in progesterone could lead to cancer...

Did you read Dr. Lee's book? From what I understand, women will always produce estrogen but only about 20% of pre-menopausal levels where progesterone goes to zero and that is what causes most of the problems.

I just hate these Corporations....they care NOTHING about people's health or well-being. NOTHING. All they care about are PROFITS.

Damn sheep better wake the fuck up! The only conspiracy there is the one Big Corp. is waging against American citizens.

And sometimes I think that Big Corp has people on these websites to respond to our disgust by calling us 'conspiracy theorists.' However the Willfully Ignorant are happy to go along.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:44 PM
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4. Dr. John Lee rocks....!
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 10:54 PM by bliss_eternal
I consider him nothing short of a miracle and life saver for many, many women. :yourock: Dr. Lee!

I sometimes joke about it, but I'm not entirely kidding when I say I'm amazed Suzanne Somer is still among us. Her book (and mentioning of Dr. Lee) was a huge wake up call for many women.

For too long, too many women have taken the "estrogen therapy" prescribed during perimenopause and menopause. They trusted that their doctors wouldn't lead them astray. :( Sadly, most ended up with cancer from that horse urine crap. :grr::mad:

Progesterone and cancer:

I don't think it's the lack of progesterone that leads to cancer, as much as the abundance of opposing hormones (like estrogen)that could have been threatening. In many cases, progesterone is deficient because estrogen is dominant. I had many of the symptoms of estrogen dominance, and am sure I was on my way (to cancer) had I not perservered for answers and treatment on my own. I'm just thankful I didn't listen to the doctors that told me to ignore my symptoms.

I found one of the links where I attempted to alert people to the compounding medicine issue (April of last year). I'm pm-ing it to you.


Here's a link to a site that speaks more in depth about estrogen dominance (if you're interested). :hi:
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/Estrogen_Dominance.cfm

On edit here's a link to a site that deals with this all the time--they have a statement on their front page:
http://www.womensinternational.com/


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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 01:03 PM
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5. Thanks for the links....
I firmly believe that Big Pharma and the medical community in general look at women as 'cash cows.' They care nothing about our well-being or health. They want us sick so they can get our money.

When I realized this, I changed my entire diet. I eat very little in processed foods. I take lots of vitamins and minerals. I didn't take horse piss. I power walk. I don't want to give them one cent.

Just the fact that there has been nothing new developed to treat perimenopause symptoms tells me they don't care. Wasn't Premarin developed in the '50's or early '60's?

And I believe very strongly that our high-dairy diet is one of the reasons women get breast cancer. The milk, cheese, yogurts are pushed on women so to get calcium for our bones...but the cows are pumped full of estrogens. The Japanese think it is gross to drink from a cow....very low rates of breast cancers in Japan. There are other ways to get calcium.

I got off dairy and dropped 40 pounds.

Women must be in charge of their own health.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:42 PM
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6. I completely agree with you.
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 08:55 PM by bliss_eternal
An example I like to use to exemplify this is birth being taken from women.
Women used to give birth with midwives, their mothers, sisters and aunts. Then those big wonderful men decided we couldn't possibly know what we were doing, without their help--deemed midwifery illegal--and took homebirth away.

Birth is not a sickness or a disease. It's a natural part of a woman's life cycle if she chooses it. Are there "high-risk" births? Sure. But every birth isn't such a risk.

If the profession didn't see women as "cash cows" as you said, women wouldn't have been taught to "fear" the process of birth, among the many other things we are taught in the name of "health." (I'm not getting into a lot here, as I've been flamed for sharing my feelings on this here and frankly, I'm not in the mood right now ;)--but feel free to respond, or pm me if you'd like more details of my thoughts on this).

Oh and on the same note I totally agree with you about dairy. I also found benefits to my health by giving it up.


Here's another link where I dared to challenge the status quo, and "progressives" deemed me evil incarnate for doing so. :eyes: Much of the arguing and name-calling was deleted (thanks to the mods). One of the main "challengers" I now have on ignore.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=222&topic_id=29992

It's interesting to me how so many are so threatened by those that dare to pose opposing views on these issues. They don't seem capable of questioning authority at all, or to even consider why they've bought into these ideas.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:57 PM
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7. Thank you so much for this information. Now, where can we go to
protest this action or is it too late?
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:53 AM
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8. Please follow this link:
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:28 PM
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3. Thank you for posting
I'm 'aheading toward menopause, although I'm not even premenopausal yet (I crack myself up, I turn on bright lights to put in an IV, get and I'm sure I'm having a "Hot flash". I'm always looking for little signs)

Anyway, I've been doing a bit of research as well, and had already decided HRT (If I need it, probably will) through a naturopathic approach would be best for me. It doesn't surprise me a bit the FDA wants to help pharmaceutical companies keep thier fear based tactics and profit making intact. Pharmaceutical companies--- I work in health care, I don't even think they're all bad---Make tons on money off women and women's misunderstanding of, or disgust of, or plain caving into societal pressure too, their own natural body processes.


The attitude It creates unhealth were there could be health. It creates fear rather than joy, or acceptance.

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