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I haven't posted on DU in A LONG TIME because I'm generally disgusted with the content on the site as of late, as well as rule changes that directly affect the women on this site.
HOWEVER---the rape threads today really got my goat.
There were those who said that us poor, genteel women shouldn't put ourselves in dangerous situations---
WELL I HAVE JUST AS MUCH RIGHT TO WALK THE FUCKING STREETS AT ANY HOUR AS ANY FUCKING MAN DOES.
I live in a bad neighborhood. Technically, as far as some of the posters go, I shoudl never leave my house so that I can take "adequate measures" to protect myself--because, as we've all read today, if anything adverse were to happen to me, *I* would have to absorb just a wee bit of the blame for the adversity occuring.
What these men don't understand is that women have been PROGRAMMED to *ALWAYS* take precautions. I don't know many men who are escorted to their cars if they work late, but all women are.
I don't know many men who have a shank on their keychains, but most women I know do. They also carry mace and a whistle as well.
I've never known a man to have the fear of working alone with another male co-worker, or walking alone down the street, or finding yourself the only one in an elevator with a male in a deserted building. I've never known a man that admitted to having fear in his heart as he hears footsteps behind him as he walks through an empty parking lot, or down a deserted street.
But these are ALL fears that women have. We already TAKE precautions. We already ARE cautious---but now we're being told "Be MORE cautious. Take MORE precautions"---how far do we go?
When did it become standard that women aren't allowed to walk at night unless (as one poster said) they had "legitimate reasons" to be on the street? So now I must have a "legitimate reason" to be outside after the sun goes down? Living in the Pacific Northwest this time of year is hard--it's not light until 8am, and it's dark by 4:30. There goes walking to/from the bus to get to/from work. There goes going to the store. There goes walking the dog. There goes doing ANYTHING that may occur before 8am and after 4:30pm.
But those are "Reasonable" expecttaions of any woman, right? Just don't dress provocatvely (I"d like a definition of that, by the way). Don't go outside after dark unless you have a legitimate reason (again, definition of "legitimate reason). Don't get drunk unless you're willing to "live with the consequences". Don't go anywhere without friends. Take precautions. Be cautious. Be smart....etc etc etc.
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I've been married for five years, and in those years have not gone to the local "meat market" pickup bars that I frequented in my young and single days.
However, I clearly remember those days. I'd go with 2 or 3 friends. We'd be in jeans and blouses. Nothing revealing (you can't dance with revealing clothes). Just "go out" clothes. Have a good time. Don't bring your purse because you can't dance with a purse.
In the days when I would frequent these clubs, wehther I was looking for a dance parter or not, I would find one. I"d be dancing with my friends and Hey! Here's mister "suck my dick" rubbing his wang on my ass. Hey! There's three of his friends doing the drunken bump-and-grind on my friend. Hey! There's the term bitch and whore shouted across a busy dancefloor as we rebuked their advancements.
In my years of going to clubs, I never saw women act in the drunken, slutty ways that were so often described in the threads earlier. In the threads, it was the women who were drunk, the women who (by virtue of being drunk) were open to a variety of sex acts, who were inable to not only consent, but not consent, and who must live with the 'consequences of their actions"
What I want to know is:
Why are drunken GUYS not responsible for the consequences of THEIR actions? WHy is a drunken guy who rubs his crotch against anything with tits considered "a drunken guy", but a girl who does the slow grind with a stranger (slow grind and nothing more) is a drunken slutty whore asking for "consequences of their actions?"
Why are there no calls for men to decrease THEIR alcohol consumption, which would lead to fewer one-night-stands on THEIR part, fewer drunken brawls on THEIR part, etc? Why must us little wimmen control our alchol because drunk wimmen = bad things for the poor guy who got caught up with such a skank?
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When did the streets and parking lots and office buildings and neighborhoods become solely appropriate for only MEN to frequent? Why can a man walk at night, alone, without a shank on his chain or a mace in his pocket, and he's just a normal guy walking his dog? But if I go out with anything less than a small arsenal, 5 body-guards, and a time-activated GPS under my skin, am I required to "take the consequences of my actions?"
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WHen does the rapist start taking responsibility of HIS actions? When does forcibly inserting a penis into the body of a woman who does not want that penis inside of her get to deal with the 'consequences of HIS actions'?
Why are women FORCED into this notion of helpless victimhood, and yet there is no addressing the systemic and societal appreciation of male aggression?
Why is the question always "what did she do/say/wear/go/to deserve rape?" as opposed to asking "Why did he RAPE her?"
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Those threads disgusted me and only (once again) strengthened my views that there is a large contingent of DU'ers (male, female, old, new) who are as progressive and liberal as Hitler. There is a large contingent of DU'ers (male, female, old, new) who hate women to their core and wish we would just shut up and take the dick like they know we want.
I find it strangely NOT suprising that many of those on those threads who not only were rape appologists, but victim degraders, are still not tombstoned. They are still allowed to get away with their misogynistic and pro-rape filth. And the empty calls of "Would you say that to your mother/daughter/wife/sister" continue, year after year, to go unanswered because not only do they not want to answer it, but we all know that their pro-rape, anti-woman stance would thrive and flourish and suffer no change shoudl any woman in their life go through a rape. They hate women, be they related to those women or not. Their hatred of women knows no bounds. They are only married to the woman because they were forced into it. They only love their daughters because they're forced to. They could care less if they were raped, and only hope they're not because they don't want to hear the constant whining and victimization of the 'typical whining rape victim ' (as I was called once by a poster who is still posting away). They dont care about their health or wellbeing. They only care about their own selfish needs. At least if their old lady was raped, that would be a good excuse to divorce the whore since she's obviously up to fucking anything with a dick :eyes:
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