Meritocracy or ignorant, unabashed whining, sprinkled with

[bliss_eternal]

an inability to see the vast inequalities that still exist?

You be the judge. Excerpt from this person's website:

I particularly value meritocracy. I believe that more good accrues from ensuring a meritocracy than nearly anything else. 30 years ago that would have meant dismantling the ol’ white boy’s network. But alas, today, the ol’ boy network has largely been replaced by the Diversity Industry, all-powerful and hell-bent on ensuring that women and minorities get slots in colleges and employment even when less qualified. The Diversity Industry is so powerful, it has shut off dissent.

I have tried prodigiously to protest the rampant reverse discrimination, to no avail. When I write politically correct letters to the editor, they’re routinely published yet when I write to protest reverse discrimination, my letters are always censored. I’ve had 500 articles and columns published, yet when I write about reverse discrimination, the pieces are deemed unworthy of publication. I’ve written a screenplay on the topic, Affirmative Actions, which the London Daily News said was “Sure to trigger a bidding war” yet no film studio would touch it. My first five books, politically correct, have been published and critically and commercially successful, having sold over 200,000 copies. Yet, I’ve just written what I believe is my best book, the politically incorrect “The Silenced Majority,” and it’s been rejected by 27 of 27 publishers. So, I’ve been totally censored, shut out. So much for living my values. Today, it seems that’s permissible only when your values are politically correct.

taken from www.martynemko.com By the way, he's a career counselor. :eyes: Not at all sure how that makes him an expert on meritocracy or an appropriate judge of who is or is not worthy of opportunities.

Am I the only one insulted by this constant assumption that women couldn't possibly be as qualified as a man applying for the same job? Or perhaps more qualified? Or that a person of color is just being given a job because of the color of their skin, and some sort of quota needing to be fulfilled?

:mad: :grr:

Thoughts?

[Hello_Kitty]

1. "the ol’ boy network has largely been replaced by the Diversity Industry"

Riiiiight :eyes:

Yep, the upper echelons of power are so clogged with unqualified 'diversity' that there's nary an old white dude to be found in the executive boardrooms, the top positions in academia and all industries, not to mention the halls of Congress! :sarcasm: :nopity:

Don't blame affirmative action and political correctness because no one wants to buy your shitty books or screenplays, dude. Get a real job and quit whining.

[bliss_eternal]

4. LMAO, ccbombs!

You never fail to bring a smile to my face or make me laugh hysterically. :rofl:

I know, the world is just so horrible because no one wants to endorse his bigoted, sexist play. :wtf: What an asshat!

[atommom]

8. You hit the nail on the head once again!

If he had sons in school, I'm sure he'd also be writing about how evil feminists have set up our schools so that only girls can succeed. Poor men. They'll wither away and become extinct any day now. :rofl:

[bleedingheart]

17. very good point...

[Lydia Leftcoast]

2. I know that some employers use

"You were the best qualified applicant, but the government said we had to hire a woman/person of color this time" as

1) A way to make unsuccessful white male applicants feel better

2) A passive-aggressive way to fight affirmative action.

One of my friends in Portland got the "You were the best qualified applicant, but..." routine and was quite bitter until he talked to another white man who had applied for the same job and learned that he had been fed the same line.

[bliss_eternal]

5. Wow--that's so shitty!

What a lovely way to make white men with entitlement issues feel that much more...entitled. Complete with giving them a whole group of people to blame! :puke:

[Katherine Brengle]

20. this is irrelevant to the thread, but about your sig line---

FDR refused to endorse anti-lynching legislation while in office because he needed the support of Southern Democrats to get his New Deal legislation passed.

He did a lot of good, but he was definitely capable of compromising on issues that were not morally ambiguous.

[cally]

3. Much of this argument seems to be a way for whites males

to blame someone else for rejection. I remember when a black male became my boss at one job, there were rumblings that it was because he was black. In reality, he was the most talented and level headed. These arguments belittle the accomplishments of minorities and women getting positions. Yes, it infuriates me.

[bliss_eternal]

6. Me too, cally--

I met a black woman doctor who told me the most horrible stories, I had asked her about this--it wasn't just offered. Anyway, I had asked her what was it like being a woman and a black woman in her field. She shared how she had known all through school she wanted to study medicine, so she worked hard, got good grades, etc.

Well she gets to medical school only to be told by some asshole interns that she and other 'women and minorities' are only there because of affirmative action.'

:mad: :grr:...really pisses me off, too!

:hi:

[jmm]

7. What happened to picking one's self up by the boot-straps?

I "love" how people who preach this to everyone else are the first to cry about some grand conspiracy when they are unsuccessful. The media loves controversy and money. If his work was half as great as he claims we would all know about it.

[bliss_eternal]

9. Thank you

for making this point! :applause:

Seriously, they seem to forget all about that when the shoe is on the other foot, don't they?

I read one of his books, but not on the subject he speaks of in my post above. It was one of his career books, and it wasn't entirely his--as it is coauthored by two others. After reading his comments on that site, I seriously considered throwing away the book. LOL! His comments really pissed me off. But considering it isn't on that subject matter, and he isn't the only one that benefited from my purchase, no big deal that I own it.

[ismnotwasm]

10. Mostly bullshit

Self aggrandizing self-help promotion, making money catering to white male fear. That coal miner piece was particularly heinous. Why are men coal miners? How about because those are the jobs that are available? What do you do when you are from a historically poor section of the country, when coal mining has developed into local tradition for families? When part of your values is women just don't do that type of work? This is the woman's fault?

We won't go into the safety oversights of that tragedy.

My sister works in a non-traditional women's job, she started as a what's known as a "pipeman's helper" at the water department. Which meant she spent a lot of time digging ditches, and doing dangerous, dirty work. She stuck with it and got promoted over time. She still needs to supervise--and do, some pretty tough work. Right along side with the men, and she's never been cut any slack because she's a women.

My daughter is a soldier. And even as single mother she has never shirked a single deployment, or field training. Even when it meant leaving her son with us. She keeps up with the men in PT, does better than them sometimes (point of pride for her) encourages other women to do the same, or do as best they can. Women aren't encouraged to be strong physically or in certain cases mentally, as in the sciences. And it starts from birth. Pink, ribbons and bows, not that I have anything against ribbons and bows, exactly.(Here's your new barbie doll honey.-- I do hate barbie.)

My sister, my daughter and I have always been physically strong, we've always been able to do "men's work" Hand's down, no problem. Are we typical? Don't know. I was encouraged by my sexist father of all people (you can't count on a man-- there aren't "real men" any left, and anything bigger than a size 6 is fat) And my sister and I encouraged our daughters.

I still see far more women "flaggers" at construction sites than actually working on them. I've met one women in my life, one, who owned and ran her own construction company. That doesn't mean there aren't more out there, but that's just my experience.

He's a whiny self promoter, taking advantage of the current job market---yeah there might be jobs, but which ones are making a living wage? White men aren't being discriminated against, they are facing increasing competition, and they don't like it. They thrash around look for someone to blame. They light on "reverse discrimination" AHA! They think, why that must be it. That black man couldn't possible be as qualified as I, he got the job because he's black. That women just isn't strong enough, she got the job because she's a women.
They could always go pick hops and crops-- Then they can quite complaining about "illegals."

Obviously, The whole mindset makes me sick.

[bliss_eternal]

11. Your daughter sounds amazing--

She must take after her mom...
;)

[ismnotwasm]

13. I always brag about her

She amazes me. But I thank any powers that be that she is getting out of the army after nine years!

[geniph]

12. Cry me a fucking river

I am so sick of the victim mentality of the poor, oppressed, upper-class, white, Christian males!

Boo-hoo to you, Marty, you whiner. Get a life. Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps and stop relying on others to validate you. And stop blaming some evil feminist/minority/diversity cabal for people not wanting to buy your latest self-pitying, badly-written compilation of claptrap.

:nopity:

[Warpy]

14. PS, Marty, if you want to get your books published,

it's probably better if you stop writing twaddle about an oppressed power class and go back to your own field.

[atommom]

15. Shutting TFU and using a pseudonym from now on wouldn't hurt

either! :rofl: I know he's been scratched off MY list of authors to look for...

[bleedingheart]

16. Women in technical fields find their skills doubted consistently...

however I have to say the one thing that pissed me off more than anything was seeing a unqualified woman promoted to a position that she could not do and it was all done in the "spirit of office politics"...what made me mad is that promoting her to a very technical position and then setting her up to fail is then used to prove that women can not do a job...

the woman in question didn't even complete her fine arts degree in college and was a gossipy goofball....but the boss wanted to piss off the competent women in a department (he hated us because we were able to do our jobs well ) and promoted her to a job whose requirements included either a Bachelors in Engineering or Computer Science.

She fell into the trap and even started an on-line CS degree...well then it was discovered that the Algebra part was too hard for her and she stopped taking classes and got pregnant...

She has subsequently moved to part-time status....and this has resulted in some men in the office saying..."see...she couldn't do the job so she just got pregnant"..."oh boy...bet I can't get a part-time position with benefits...I guess I have to grow boobs to do that..."....

and that makes it worse for the women like myself who are competent, who are mothers and we can do the job...

grrrrr

[bobbieinok]

19. at least once the head of a science dept wanted to hire an unqualified

woman.......he said he 'had to' b/c of affirmative action.....she was the first woman to apply........others in the dept were able to block that stupidity

[bleedingheart]

18. I want to also add....

I would love to see equality in the workplace but even if that were the case there are still issues like human pettiness to overcome...

Many a good company has been run into the ground by a person who could not lead or manage their job..and the interesting part is that since I have worked with companies that have had mostly men in positions of leadership...I have to say that the failure of companies like GM prove that the boys in the boardroom have been promoted to their level of incompetence...

this fellow may talk about "meritocracy" but that is bullshit...if that were the case people of all colors and women would be represented more often because there are a lot of competent people in every color shape and sex...

let us face facts...there are smart white men who lose jobs to dumb white men because those dumb white men belonged to the right fraternity in college and the people doing the interview thought "he was a nice guy to have a beer after work with"....

The sad fact is that for minorities and women we start at a disadvantage because there are a multitude of stereotypes about us that we have to fight...