"Proud To Be White"...a spam email I got

[cynatnite]

How many are actually paying attention to this?
There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc. And then there are just Americans.
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me "White boy," "Cracker," "Honkey," "Whitey," "Caveman" and that's OK.
But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towelhead, Sand-nigger, camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET(White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that?
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly
Proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were "White colleges" that would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am proud. But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?
There is nothing improper about this email.
Let's see which of you are proud enough to forward it.

How would you respond to this?

[Redstone]

1. Reply, "Fuck you," and block the sender from sending me any more messages.

Redstone

[JuniperLea]

6. good call. eom

[Warpy]

9. Seconded

Garbage like that doesn't deserve a reply and the sender doesn't deserve an available in box to pollute.

[cynatnite]

11. Blocked him...

My mouth about fell open when I got this. Geez, I'd prefer the penis enlargment or the secret to bigger breasts spam. Not that I need those, mind you. LOL

[Gormy Cuss]

38. No shit. n/t

[seabeyond]

2. F* U... from one whitie to another n/t

[hwmnbn]

3. I'd just press delete ...nt

[JuniperLea]

4. I'm a proud human being who thinks we would be better off without

All the words we use to separate ourselves. We are far more alike than we are different.

I don't care what color your skin is. If you are an asshole, you are an asshole. If you are a decent human being, you're decent.

[Redstone]

15. Yes, indeed. I can find PLENTY of reasons to dislike someone without having to

resort to the cheap cop-out of disliking them for skin color.

Redstone

[brer cat]

5. If it was someone you know, I would return it to the ignorant racist

who sent it and ask to be removed from his email list. If spam, I would report it as such and forget about it.

Just someone stirring the pot and I wouldn't give him the attention he wants.

[nini]

7. Reply with this line sent back to them

" You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us...."



That says it all - THEY ARE RACIST


this whole thing is almost funny it's so out there.

[Gwerlain]

8. Press delete, add their IP address and any...

I could find associated with it in my blacklist file, report them on SpamCop and (redacted), and complain to their ISP.

[Warpy]

12. I only do that if a pest sends me crap from another email address

after I've blocked the main one.

It's only happened once.

[Gwerlain]

19. Depends how much their horsepucky...

pisses me off. That one I didn't like. But we all gotta call 'em how we see 'em- it's a free country. ;)

[Midnight Rambler]

10. "White" is not a heritage

Celebrate being English, or Irish, or German, or Scandanavian, or whatever.

White Pride is just an excuse for racism.

[Clark2008]

20. Yeah - but if you use that argument then they could say that

being "black" is not a heritage, either. There are black people who's ancestors weren't from Africa - they could be Morocan or Middle Eastern.

I just wish we'd all concentrate on being Americans and not something hyphen American (unless you're a first-generation naturalized citizen, that is). It just divides us further. :(

[bluedogyellowdog]

13. No need to respond, it's a straw man argument

"How would you respond to this?"

In answer to your question, I wouldn't respond to them.

However, in response to whatever point they're trying to make, whites *do* have plenty of history months, colleges, parades, etc. And nobody gets called a "racist" over having them.

Let's see: Irish History Month, Italian History Month, Scottish Highland Festivals, German-American Societies, Serbian-American and Polish-American Clubs, Scandinavian and British TV channels on the cable, St. Patrick's Day, plenty of white ethnic restaurants (Cajun, Italian, French...) Sports teams with white names: the Vikings, the Fighting Irish...

Last I checked, all of these are white. And nobody gets called a "racist" over having them.

So it appears your anonymous spammer is making a straw man argument.

[John Gauger]

14. Irony: that email is racist.

The reason there is no White Chamber of Commerce is because the Chamber of Commerce only looks out for whites. It's implied. The reason there is not White History Month is because all US history is based around white history. That's why we have awareness movements for other stories in history.

Who excuses such terms as "cracker," "whitey," or "Honkey?" I don't know anybody that does.

Notice how he accuses minorities of being criminals. Doesn't that strike you as racist? Notice that it's okay to beat up minorities. I find that a rather outlandish vote of support for police brutality. And notice that the minorities are a threat to society, rather than part of it. The author means a threat to white society.

Where are these black colleges? I haven't heard anything about these colleges since Reconstruction. Is that fabricated?

All in all, that is plainly racist.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. It must have taken a lot of study and work to come out white.

I mean what an achievement to be "proud" of. Kind of like being "proud" of having 10 toes and a nose.

[left is right]

35. You haven't seen my ten toes and nose

They really are something to be proud of. Everybody tell me that my toes are the cutest things they have ever seen and my nose perfectly separates my eyes from my mouth.

[Kelly Rupert]

17. I wouldn't. But if I would, a point-by-point:

How many are actually paying attention to this?
There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc. And then there are just Americans.

So you're complaining that what people say "American," everyone assumes they're talking about white people? That's a good thing for you, dipshit.

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me "White boy," "Cracker," "Honkey," "Whitey," "Caveman" and that's OK.
But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towelhead, Sand-nigger, camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist.

Well, yeah. And when a black man says "cracker," he's being racist. So you're upset you can't call people "nigger?" Is that really your claim?

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

Nobody claims that white people shoot black people. Rather, they claim that white people have exploited black people, removing themselves and their money from black communities, turning ghettos into the most dangerous places to live.

You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Wall Street.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Columbus Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have ever other month of high-school history.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have President's Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You're complaining about a Holocaust memorial day?
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have Christmas.
You have the NAACP.
You have nearly every CEO chair of the Fortune 500.
You have BET.
You have NBC.
If we had WET(White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists.
"Advance" to where? You're the majority, dipshit. You hold all the power.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.

Yes. White people have the Chamber of Commerce. That is correct.

Wonder who pays for that?

Taxpayers pay for the Chamber of Commerce, yes. I'm glad you pay attention.

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly Proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were "White colleges" that would be a racist college.

Whites are free to attend historically black colleges. They don't choose to, because they don't want to. If you want a historically white college, go to Brigham Young or Bob Jones.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

Which rights are you lacking? That's right, none of them. Now sit the fuck down and shut up.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

You can be proud to be white. Go ahead. It's when you feel the need to announce it that we start to wonder what your motives are. Because when a minority announces their pride in their race, they're saying "being black makes people look down on me, but damn it, I don't care. I'm still proud of my heritage." Why would you feel the need to reassert your race, except to say, "Boy, I'm glad I'm not black!"

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.

And white people lay you off, raid your pensions, steal from your stock market, and start wars that kill your sons. White collar crime costs the country more than blue collar crime does--and white commit their share of blue-collar crime too.

But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

No. When a white cop shoots an unarmed black man 50 times on the eve of his wedding, we call them racist.

I am proud. But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?

Oh, blacks can be racist too. That doesn't change the fact that you are also a racist.

There is nothing improper about this email.

I think the part where you accused all blacks of robbing and shooting at you is improper. As is complaining that you can't call people "Nigger" or "Kike."

And who the fuck is "you?" You're complaining about the Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics all at once? Are Jews calling you "cracker"? Are Asians mugging you? Why do you think it's not racist to lump everyone from Argentina to Madagascar to Yemen to India to Japan as one universal "you?"

[AspenRose]

22. My hero.

:yourock: :applause: That should be saved for posterity.

[mzteris]

23. good reply.

The original made me so mad I can't even articulate it!

This IS a white supremicist capitalist patriarchy - and anyone who refuses to understand what that means probably belongs to at least one of those "labels".

[Mnemosyne]

26. Bravo! n/t

:applause:

[cynatnite]

27. Excellent! n/t

[Duncan Grant]

30. ^5!

Glad you're here! :hi: :applause:

[SeattleGirl]

37. Excellent point-by-point response!

I am going to save this. :yourock:

[ContraBass Black]

18. By permanently severing contact.

[lonestarnot]

21. We were told today that international spam has overloaded the

entire country, killing spam guards, etc. The Bar Association has ordered special equipment as new filters. And as for the spam slam you got, I wouldn't have opened it in the first place.

[readmoreoften]

24. Tell the person who forwarded it to you to fuck off and die. /nt

[Hippo_Tron]

25. Tell him he can thank the KKK for "white pride" being considered racist

The idea of white pride day is considered racist because groups like the KKK denegrated and even murdered black people in the name of "white pride". If the KKK hadn't done these things then there wouldn't be this negative stigma attached to the idea of white pride.
Personally I think that celebrating pride in your race is dumb no matter what color your skin is, but when black people celebrate their pride they don't have a history of lynching white people while doing it.

Why can't we have an all white school? Because when white people segregated the schools they forced blacks to go to run down schools while white kids were entitled to a good education. Black people never made laws that forced white people into crappy public schools and thus there is no negative stigma associated with all white schools vs all black schools.

And white people don't need societies for advancement because they control, as they always have, the vast majority of the country's wealth and power.

The fact of the matter is that white people were legally allowed to persecute black people for almost 200 years in this country and they took full advantage of this. Tell this person that if his ancestors had outlawed slavery and given blacks equal rights 200 years ago that he could have all of the white pride societies that he wants and not be considered a racist. The fact is that white people didn't do this, they persecuted black people in the name of white nationalism and that is why white nationalism is considered a bad thing.

[Malidictus Maximus]

31. The elites use shit like this to divide and conquer

You said:
"Why can't we have an all white school? Because when white people segregated the schools they forced blacks to go to run down schools while white kids were entitled to a good education. Black people never made laws that forced white people into crappy public schools and thus there is no negative stigma associated with all white schools vs all black schools.

And white people don't need societies for advancement because they control, as they always have, the vast majority of the country's wealth and power."


But, there are many downtrodden white folks; the establishment has screwed them just as effectively, their economic stratum is manipulated so that only the military services or slave wage jobs are available, they are just as much victims of the system as most African Americans, but *THEY* are the onces who don't dare display even racial pride just because the Klan did two generations ago. From the point of view of a disenfranchised white there IS NOT the advantage to being 'white' that you and I see on a historical scale, they just see they're just as fucked as a poor black without even the benefit of affirmative action or an activist like Reverend Jackson. The underclass 'Arkie' who has a choice between Wal-mart and the army does not and never will care, or even believe, that the ruling class for the last 250 years has been nearly exclusively white.

[Agnomen]

28. proud to be white TRASH?

[LeighAnn]

29. "Is that from the Bible?"

"Who would Jesus hate?" "Well, maybe once you're in the minority you'll get something special, too" etc, they hate that one. I get a lot of the "illegal immigrant social security petition", but thank Heavens nobody I know has inflicted this one on my yet.

[aikoaiko]

32. respond by saying, " that's mighty white of you".

More seriously, there is a kernal of truth of about that email that is difficult to address.

[Kelly Rupert]

34. Where is that kernel?

[aikoaiko]

42. Sometimes...

... I think people are too quick to judge poor, downtrodden, or economnically struggling whites who are trying to do well for themselves and their families, and live their lifestyles/culture as they see fit to be racists.

I'm not saying many aren't racists. I just wish we didn't dismiss them as whiney, angry racist white men. They need the same help and empowerment our Party seeks to address with women and minorities.

But then again, the email may have been written by a grand wizard wannabe who is a flaming arsehole.

;)

[loves_dulcinea]

33. send a link to this page to this fool

ignoring him won't teach him anything

[Scout]

36. here's my response from last week....

there is SO much improper about the kind of attitude reflected in this email, that I don't have time to cover it all.

i will say i'm tired of whiney white men. please stop sending me ignorant crap like this.

i'm not forwarding it anywhere.



my friend recently married, and her husband sends me crap like this.

[Hissyspit]

39. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins. n/t

[Spider Jerusalem]

40. ...

point by point response:

How many are actually paying attention to this?
There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc. And then there are just Americans.

"Just" American? The only people who are "just" Americans, no qualifier needed, are the natives. If you're white, then you're English-American, or Irish-American, or German-American, or more generally European-American; there's no need to feel resentful of other people's identification with their cultural heritage and identity because you're totally disconnected from either.

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me "White boy," "Cracker," "Honkey," "Whitey," "Caveman" and that's OK.
But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towelhead, Sand-nigger, camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist.

Well, that's because anyone who uses a racially or ethnically based slur IS a racist by definition. If you have any real reason for calling someone out, you SHOULD be able to find something more substantiative to call them on than their ethnicity. If you can't find anything more substantiative, and you think that race and ethnicity are perfectly fine things to call people names over, then yes, you're a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

Economic inequality and lack of opportunity lead people to engage in crime as a means of making money, absent other alternatives. Denied educational and economic opportunities, people will do what will make them money. This isn't their fault so much as it is the fault of the system for failing them and creating a situation where they have limited options and few choices. Not to mention that due to the economic and social inequalities, and the perception that certain places are "bad" because of the people who live there, those are the parts of cities most likely to receive LESS attention from police, school boards, social services, etc., which only exacerbates the already existing problems.

You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET(White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that?

Well, you know, if generic "white people" had ever at any time in American history constituted an oppressed and exploited minority, there might be some point here...but they didn't, and there isn't.

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly Proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were "White colleges" that would be a racist college.

There were "white colleges". In fact, school segregation is the ONLY reason there are historically black colleges and universities; African-Americans weren't admitted to any others. And white students can and do attend historically black colleges and universities, in case you weren't aware.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

"White pride" is a stupid concept, and for a good long while after the founding of the United States, white rights were the ONLY rights. Not only that, "white" isn't an ethnicity; it implies no shared heritage and no common background. The very idea is ridiculous; what unifying identity or shared experience do "white" people have other than the colour of their skin? African-Americans have the collective experience of slavery and Jim Crow. Native Americans have the collective experience of dispossession, forced relocation and life on the reservation. What collective experience do a Tidewater Virginian whose ancestors were at Jamestown, a Minnesota farmer whose great-great-grandfather emigrated from Sweden in 1870, and a second-generation Irish-American from Boston have?

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

Anyone who thinks that only nonwhites commit crimes, or who addresses nonwhites by saying "you carjack us, rob us, rape us"...IS a racist. The worst sort of caricatured stereotyping out of the fever dreams of a closeted suburban bigot who probably says things like "some of my best friends are...(black, Hispanic, Jewish, etc)...you know". Excuse me while I laugh.

[Left Is Write]

41. Good grief. EVERY MONTH is "white history month."

Does this ignorant fuckwit have any idea why a national black history month was established?

This is so fucked up. I'm white - not proud of it, not ashamed of it - through no action nor fault of my own. I have never, ever, ever been called any kind of racial slur by any minority. Who are these people who claim they get called these types of names regularly? Anything they might be doing to invite it? Any self-reflection necessary.

That message is such a load of vile bullshit that I'm not sure I could respond at all.

[tjwash]

43. To quote the great Auntie Pinko...

From an old 2003 article on affirmitive action

...as a group that has been a majority of the population for so long, and has had so much control of the culture, social organization, political process, etc., white people have the incredible luxury of almost never having to think about race.

We take it for granted that we are entitled to buy a home anywhere we want, run for public office if we can afford to, obtain credit based entirely on our credit history and financial circumstances, get respect from local law enforcement and equitable treatment from the court system, go into a neighborhood coffee shop without feeling 'different,' etc.

Members of population groups who are easily recognizable by some physical difference from the white mainstream simply don't have those luxuries. They must think about their race, their religious faith, their physical challenge, or whatever the difference might be every single day. They know that for every 'uppity' person outside the mainstream who calls the system to account with great fanfare when they feel treated unfairly, there are plenty who are deprived of such redress even when they seek it, and literally millions more who are routinely denied opportunities, ignored, assumed to be less intelligent, less productive, less worthy of consideration, and who simply put up with such treatment as 'the way things are.'

For white people, the 'unfairness' of affirmative action, or minority preferences, or highly publicized discrimination suits, is only worthy of attention when it is brought to their attention, or when it affects them personally.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

44. Yeah, the persecuted majority

:eyes:

Michael Parenti used to do a thought experiment with his students when they claimed that there was no racism. He asked how much money it would take for them to accept having their race reassigned to African-American. They always said they'd require a huge amount of money, like $2 million. When he asked why, they'd say, "Well, I'd be under all these disadvantages..." and sometimes the light would go on in their eyes.

[hamletsophelia]

45. um true however..

minority's are just that in the minority so they're at an unfair disadvantage and have been for centuries...look at the history beginning with 2006 and go back