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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 08:46 PM
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Anyone here agree 100%
with the drilling issue?

Do you agree 100% with anything Obama has done?

*sigh*

I have no idea why I continually must repeat myself, is Obama perfect? NO... do I disagree with some of his policies? YES. He ain't perfect fer cryin' out loud! Who would be?

Why must the naysayers continually BEAT THIS DRUM?
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 09:23 PM
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1. No ...

I have two major issues I'm irritated about: drilling and his treatment of patent law issues and getting in bed with RIAA/MPAA/BSA.

I'm actually more irritated about the latter than the former. This drilling thing is a political ploy that will reap us huge benefits overall. The patent law thing needs to be completely redone.

Oddly enough, this isn't something the Kucinich supporters could claim any high ground. Dennis is worse.

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:57 PM
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2. Roy, what is the RIAA/MPAA/BSA thing? That one must have
flown under my radar.

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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:18 AM
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5. Here's a link ...
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 12:19 AM by RoyGBiv
I dislike the way this story is written. It's typical of the "my ox didn't get gored, so I'm gonna whine" BS we put up with day in and day out here, but it was the most detailed I could find quickly.

http://www.osnews.com/story/23002/Obama_Sides_with_RIAA_MPAA_Backs_ACTA

It's about his open support of ACTA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement

On the surface, this sounds all fine and dandy. Piracy is bad. Stealing is bad, etc. Well, the issues are far more complicated than that, and agreements such as this do little actually to reduce intellectual property theft and a lot to entrench the stranglehold very few media companies have on the market, oblivious to the needs and desires of consumers. ACTA works by effectively reducing consumers' ability to legally use content they did in fact purchase.

OnEdit: Neither this nor the drilling thing surprise me at all, so I'm not "disappointed." Unlike some, I did actually pay attention during the campaign and knew his stand on these issues. I'm not a one-issue voter.

And frankly, with regard to patent law, I haven't found but a handful of politicians who even understand the issue, much less fall on the correct side of it, which is, in short, that we are in dire need of patent reform.

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 01:56 PM
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16. Thanks Roy! n/t
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 04:23 PM
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18. BTW ... an example ...
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 04:29 PM by RoyGBiv
Here's a real-world example of the problems associated with ACTA.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=9319445&mesg_id=9319445

Person buys a piece of software. Person cannot install software because software manufacturer believes he has other software on his system that the manufacturer doesn't want him to use. Said software *might* be able to be used to make an illegal copy of the software being installed, so the presumption of guilty intent prevents software purchaser from using software.

Of course ACTA didn't create this, but it assists in continuing to legitimize it and creates an even stronger marriage between international law enforcement and private businesses.

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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:17 AM
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4. delete
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 12:18 AM by RoyGBiv
wrong place
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:58 PM
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3. No, but I also heard him when he said he would make mistakes --
-- and that there wouldn't be agreement with every thing he does.

Bottom line is, I'm coming from a place of trust when it comes to Obama. He's earned that from me as far as I'm concerned. Not blind trust, but a trust that takes the approach that his motives are not corrupt, but prudent. One thing Obama's election has forced me to do, is to politically grow up and realize that the ideal answer is not always the practical one, especially in this very toxic political environment.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 07:05 AM
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6. I would have done the same thing. Sometimes you have to give a little
to get a lot.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 09:13 AM
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7. Not at all.
I don't totally agree with the drilling issue, though I completely understand it. And I sure don't like Obama's populist streak.

Ultimately, there's only one person I agree with 100% politically, and that's me. Recognizing that, I appreciate someone that gets things done and makes progress for our nation. Obama is the best president I could imagine right now because of that.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 11:22 AM
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8. I agree with Obama a scary amount of the time
I must just have a similar outlook.

The naysayers sometimes post as if one must disagree, like it's a duty. I agree with Obama a lot, disagreed with Bush a lot, because they are different.

Some naysayers criticize for the sake of criticizing, as though one must do it to be part of some cool crowd.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 07:54 AM
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12. That's my problem. He is doing things how I think they should be done
I am not going to disagree with him for the sake of disagreeing.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 01:57 PM
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17. I've had that same thought more than once, treestar
It's like some folks think they aren't true liberals unless they find fault with everything.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 09:15 PM
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9. not at all
What I really object to about drilling is that the Republicans treated it as, by itself, a long term energy strategy. Obama is not treating it that way by a longshot. I don't mind that drilling is a portion of the strategy, especially if it gives some short term benefit.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:11 PM
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10. Not only do I not agree with Obama 100%, I've never agreed 100% with any politician
Yeah, certain proclamations or executive orders can be pretty straight forward, but most policy requires certain assumptions and some doubt.
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 06:29 AM
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11. Agree 100%? No.
Support 100%? Yes.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:56 AM
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13. Well said!
:thumbsup:
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 11:51 AM
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15. I figure
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 11:53 AM by TicketyBoo
a) he's smarter than I am, and

b) he has access to a lot more information than I do.

Not to mention

c) I just plain trust him.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 02:59 PM
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14. Yes, because it will create jobs NOW, but drilling won't begin for
maybe another, what, five? Ten years?

There still has to be a lot of geological research, stats, reports and such, but at least that will create jobs in the here and now... and it's all happening off the coasts of pro-drilling red staters and their loud GOP Senators like DeMint, I believe.

This'll hush them for a moment or two.
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