Crissy Moran (Famous Former Porn Star) Udate

[sampsonblk]

She quit porn industry and turned to Christ

By RACHEL DAVIS and KONRAD MARSHALL, The Times-Union

The model at the center of Hustler's December 2006 magazine lures you in with her perfectly plumped lips and glistening body. But it's her eyes that make you linger. They are expertly painted in a sultry charcoal, an attempt to hide the lies in her glare. She didn't want to be there. Not like that, not naked and feeding herself grapes and grabbing seductively at her own body. But the shoots always wound up that way...

Though Moran made nearly $14,000 each month in the business, the raunch was weighing on her. For a while she was able to rationalize her work: "The people that I surrounded myself with, we all normalize it, and it's so, so easy. You turn on VH1 and there's Jenna Jameson and Ron Jeremy...

She wants to find a job - at least part-time - so she can go to school to be a social worker. In the meantime, she's started volunteering with Treasures, a nonprofit group that encourages women in the adult industry to turn to Christ. She's spoken out at her own church about her story, which she said helps her heal...

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/120307/lif_221825519.shtml

[LostInAnomie]

1. She'll be back in a year.

eom

[sampsonblk]

2. Apparently not.

Its already been over a year.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. Is this the one that associates with the "Cure for Homosexuality" crowd?

[sampsonblk]

5. Who doesn't?

Pretty much everyone who goes to church associates, directly or indirectly, with the "Cure for Homosexuality" crowd. I thought everyone knew that.

[cali]

36. oh please. Indirectly associates? What does that even mean?

There are plenty of churches that support GBLT folks. Are you suggesting that the Episcopal Bishop of NH, Eugene Robinson, indirectly associates with the "Cure" crowd?

[sampsonblk]

46. I am not suggesting it, I am saying it outright. 100% certainty

And here's why. Every single preacher or pastor belongs to professional groups, attends conferences, etc. They all have each others books on their shelves. If you apply the same standard to these people that we apply to everyone else, then they are all associated.

So let me put this to you: Some denominations welcome gays into their church. But when they attend a conference with those from denominations that do not accept gays, what do they do? What do they say? Answer: Nothing. Not a peep from them. No protest. No walkout. Nothing.

Eugene Robinson is no different. I guarantee you he's attended a conference this year with anti-gay preachers. And I guarantee you that right at this very moment, there are books by anti-gay preachers on his shelf in his office. No question.

And he buys some of his supplies from people who are anti-gay. There goes the money.

[kysrsoze]

64. You don't know what you're talking about.

I'm an ELCA Lutheran and almost half of all our congregations are "RIC" (Reconciled in Christ), meaning we openly welcome GLBT's without question. In fact, we're now working to allow gay Lutheran ministers in monogamous relationships to continue in their positions without fear of repercussion. The Anglican church split over these issues, so for you just blindly lump all Christians together does nothing but point out your complete ignorance on the subject.

[sampsonblk]

71. Nonsense

Your point isn't relevant. I am not arguing that the effort isn't there. But no denomination can completely divest from the rest of christianity. I will stand on that with every penny I have. Where does your church buy its supplies?

[Solon]

119. That's a stupid argument, if you interact with ANYONE on the planet...

They probably associate and interact with other people that you don't like. Unless you are cloistered in the middle of no where with no one around, its impossible to not interact with assholes.

[kysrsoze]

127. We buy our supplies from Costco, which pays its employees a fair wage

Your point is complete bullshit. You've made it impossible (again, at least in your own mind) to divorce any churchgoer from all the extreme elements of Christianity. Logically, you could do that to every religion, political party, etc. Hate religion much?

[King Coal]

56. If someone claims that they used to be homosexual and then they became straight, are you

calling them dirty liars? Because some people have done that. What do you say to them? You're a dirty liar?

[Chovexani]

102. LOL

Yes, some people have done that, they're called...bisexuals.

[Lilith Velkor]

110. Yet again

You took the words right outa my keyboard.

Cheers. :toast:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

85. Let me rephrase that.

Is this the person that links to rightwing hate groups on her website?

[LanternWaste]

103. Really? Could you tell me...

Really? Could you tell me which of my fellow parishioners are involved with that group-- whether directly or indirectly?

[AlCzervik]

4. and ironically the first hit on google for Treasures is

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=treasures&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

[sampsonblk]

6. That's funny!-nt

[WillyT]

8. LOL, Perfect !!!

:rofl:

[Poiuyt]

7. She made $14,000/mo and she needs a part time job?

It looks like someone needed Charles Schwab

[sampsonblk]

10. Yeah!

Give me $14,000 per month for 6 years and you'll not have to worry about me for a looooooong time. That's about a million dollars in six years!

[KharmaTrain]

68. 14K A Month Is Chickenscratch In LA

I would imagine in the circles she traveled in Hollywood that money came and went quickly. I'll even bet she went home penniless...easy come, easy go (pun intended).

Just a little math...$14k a month is around $165k a year...that's like a minor leaguer.

[Javaman]

78. Even in the porn biz. nt

[TheUniverse]

9. A Drug addict getting a new drug... religion

It happens all the time, nothing new here.

[sampsonblk]

11. Maybe so, but church is a lot better choice than narcotics

More church, less drugs, I say. The world will be a better place.

[TheUniverse]

12. Except its church goers instead of drug addicts who want to tell me how to live

[sampsonblk]

13. Big deal

Better someone try to interfere with our lives than to have them destroy their family and friends with drug use and other crimes. Better a fundie than a crackhead any day.

[TheUniverse]

14. Maybe you should move to Iran then.

Plenty of fundies, very few crackheads.... Surly, its a better country.

[sampsonblk]

16. Uh no.

In this country, fundies are only annoying. After a few years, they generally go away.

Piss off the fundies in Iran, you lose your head. After a few years, you're still dead.

No thank you.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. You're right about one thing.

The fundies and self-righteous, finger-wagging moralists in this country are REALLY fucking annoying.

[sampsonblk]

20. Damn straight

They'll drive you right up a wall if you let them. Everyone who disagrees with them is evil.

[freebrew]

59. The drugs aren't destroying families...

the laws criminalizing their use is doing that.

[bighart]

74. have you ever been around a heroine junkie?

you wouldn't say that drugs aren't destroying families if you have ever cared about someone hooked on smack.

[Warren DeMontague]

99. I've seen alcohol destroy families and kill people, too.

Nevertheless, alcohol prohibition didn't work.

[awoke_in_2003]

124. Wow, I am glad I didn't tell my sister that

when we did an intervention on her after Thanksgiving. She was doing meth, and yes, it was destroying her and our family. She hadn't had a solid job in two years, had been doing some dealing on the side, and was pulling away from her very close family and her friends. If it had gone on, she would eventually go to prison or die. Luckily, she accepted the help we were offering, and she is now in rehab. Hopefully it will stick. You really have no idea what you are talking about.

[dropkickpa]

73. Nope

My ex was junkie, then a fundie. He was somewhat normal and nice as a junkie. When he became a fundie he went batshit crazy, and became a danger to me, my family, and the world at large.

[timtom]

37. Are you at liberty to share with us

An email from this woman, or a snail-mail piece of correspondence whereby she tried to tell you how to live?

Unless you are actively in the porn business, I think that you're outside of her intended audience.

[LanternWaste]

44. then I believe one must make the same counter allowance...

Rather than robbing you to get some quick cash for the next fix. Which is what all drug addicts do, yes?

Or if not, then I believe one must make the same counter allowance that not all church goers tell you how to live...

[The Straight Story]

66. Hell, we got enough people here telling us how to live without using religion

All in the name of protecting me (oh, and the children).

[Warren DeMontague]

15. A "better place"? Really? At least Jimi Hendrix never helped Pedophile priests escape Justice

Jerry Garcia never flew a plane into a building, Bill Hicks never blew up a Planned Parenthood, Hunter S. Thompson never tried to outlaw anyone's birth control, and Willie Nelson has never chopped anyone's head off for being gay.

[sampsonblk]

18. You know that's unfair

Christian fundies in America are not comparable to Islamic extremists.

And you picked a few favorable examples. You didn't mention that the jails in this country are full of hardened criminals who are addicted to drugs and will do anything to get another hit. No one kills or steals to get to church. Mothers are selling their babies for crack. C'mon dude.

[iamthebandfanman]

22. i think u need to stop

blaming the drug and start realising people have personal responsbility for their actions...

drugs dont MAKE you do anything....

[sampsonblk]

23. What does that have to do with anything?

Whether its the drug's fault or the person's fault, the issue was whether its better to go to church or do drugs. That's an easy one.

[iamthebandfanman]

24. this

"You didn't mention that the jails in this country are full of hardened criminals who are addicted to drugs and will do anything to get another hit. No one kills or steals to get to church. Mothers are selling their babies for crack."

if ur going to incinuate that drugs make people 'do anything' 'kill and steal' and 'sell their babies' , expect someone to respond.

blame the people , not the drugs , for actions they do or want to do.

[Warren DeMontague]

26. I don't do drugs OR go to church.

But if I had to choose, I'd hang out with the drug people. The music is better.

[sampsonblk]

30. You got that right!-nt

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Actually, the jails in this country are full of non-violent drug offenders.

We spend $40 Billion a year on a "drug war" aimed primarily at not crack, but pot. We'd do far better if we legalized and taxed marijuana, and treated hard drugs as a health issue and not a law enforcement one. When people commit other crimes- like robbing or killing or (allegedly) "selling their babies" then they are criminals and should be treated as such. But right now we let violent criminals OUT of prison to make room for mandatory minimum non violent sentenced drug offenders. And the fact that drugs are illegal directly causes the violence associated with "the drug trade" just as alcohol prohibition was responsible for Al Capone.

As for church automatically being "better"- that's debatable. I spent a lot of time in my youth traveling around with the Grateful Dead, and many of the people I grew up with at those shows- on drugs or off- were and are far better fucking individuals than the glassy-eyed fundy assholes who voted for Bush, hate gays and think women who take the birth control pill should go to prison.

The bottom line? As with everything, what a consenting adult does with his or her own body and life should be HIS OR HER OWN BUSINESS, as long as they aren't harming or endangering anyone else. That goes for people who do drugs, that goes for people who drink alcohol, that goes for people who want to go to church, that goes for people who want to watch or be paid to appear in consenting adult porn.

If Crissy Moran found Jesus and gave up her $14K a month porn gig and is happy about it, good for her- but it's a pretentious value judgment (and this is my opinion, just as that is yours) to make a blanket statement that it's "better" for anyone and everyone to be a proseltyzing fundy than a porn star. Or that this world needs "more church and less drugs". Some fundies are happy, being a fundy works for them. Some porn stars are happy, being a porn star works for them. Some recreational drug users- and I would include alcohol as one of those recreational drugs- are happy, that works for them. Some clean and sober people -I'm one of them- are happy.

Personally, I think whatever works for people is their choice- as long as they're consenting adults and they aren't harming or endangering anyone else- and no one else's.

[Kucinich4America]

35. "Jerry Garcia never flew a plane into a building"

That's because Jerry never needed a plane to fly. :hippie:

[LanternWaste]

45. Ted Nugent? nt

Ted Nugent?

[Warren DeMontague]

94. I think the "Church" people are responsible for the Nuge, not the "Drug" people.

And they can have him, frankly.

[LanternWaste]

106. that cold front must be getting to Hades any moment now....

Church people are responsible for Nugent? Well... that cold front must be getting to Hades any moment now....

Wasn't he raping underage groupies in the late 70's? But... the Church is responsible for him? So he wasn't doing drugs, but was going to church during his "escapades" of underage girls. Oh my. That's the deepest end I've seen in a while...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Warren DeMontague]

112. Nuge is far closer to Chuck Colson than he is to Jerry Garcia.

No, the Church isn't responsible for Ted Nugent and his underage groupies.

If we're talking about the Pope, however, he's got enough problems in that regard even without Ted Nugent's shit-ledger:

http://www.americablog.com/2005/04/ratzinger-accused-of-cover-up-in.html

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1469055,00.html

[Skittles]

19. I don't know about that

they're equally bad to me

[sampsonblk]

21. Maybe you've never seen a crack baby then

I have.

[iamthebandfanman]

27. lol

so have i, and depending on their upbringing they are no different than a child whos mother wasnt on crack.

[Skittles]

31. do you know what religious freaks do?

how about pretty much being responsible for the thousands of gay teen suicides

[sampsonblk]

40. I can't believe we are even discussing this

Is your point that doing narcotics is a better choice than going to church? Is that what we are talking about here?

[iamthebandfanman]

49. i like how you avoid the posts i made to you

and this isnt a discussion about church versus drugs with me, its about you demonizing all drugs for whatever reason you may have.

[sampsonblk]

Then here is your answer

Using drugs is dumb. Its just plain stupid.

Now please explain to me why I should debate this with you in a thread about Crissy Moran.

[iamthebandfanman]

54. because

youre making false claims about drugs ?

there are no such things as 'crack babies' and drugs dont make anybody do anything they dont want to.

im glad this lady has gotten herself outa something unhealthy , but dont point at drugs as the reason she was involved in bad things.

[sampsonblk]

84. What?

I think you have an issue I don't know about. Because I never once suggested that Crissy Moran did porn because of drugs.

I am not going to debate the merits of crack cocaine with you. We all know better, I would hope.

[iamthebandfanman]

91. im not saying crack is good...

but i am saying that you are repeating a racist myth when you start spouting "crack babies". children born from parents who were addicted to crack are just as capable at learning and succeding in life as those who were not. i suggest you look into the subject.

as far "I never once suggested that Crissy Moran did porn because of drugs." you did however say

"You didn't mention that the jails in this country are full of hardened criminals who are addicted to drugs and will do anything to get another hit. No one kills or steals to get to church. Mothers are selling their babies for crack."

i was assuming since you used drugs an excuse for those people surely she could use it too just as validly in your mind

p.s.

God is better than drugs, church however is not.

[sampsonblk]

96. You connected many more dots than I intended

I was just making a comparison between the downsides of drugs vs the downsides of going to church. I certainly didn't mean to make excuses for anyone.

God is better than drugs. Church? Depends on which one.

[Warren DeMontague]

100. "God is better than drugs"- sure, if you're looking for simplistic slogans to put on a poster at the

K-5 Sunday school.

An honest assessment of the situation, however, would lead an impartial observer to conclude that for some people, certain drugs are certainly better and more useful than "God" (and which "God"? Whose?), for others the opposite may be true, and for many other people drugs and "God" are not mutually exclusive, in fact they may be complementary.

Humans have sought means to alter their consciousness for as long as we have recorded history. It's argued that the first early fixed outposts of civilization sprung up around primitive fermentation vats to produce alcoholic beverages. The 30,000 year old "ice man", found after being frozen in the alps, had cannabis on him. In fact, many other mammals besides humans will seek methods of altering their consciousness, given half the chance.

And religious/spiritual awareness has a long history of being tied in with drugs, and the attainment of mystical states- again, sometimes through meditation, sometimes through chemicals. I suspect members of Native American Peyote Cults would get a good laugh at your statement "God is better than drugs". Drugs are how they have a direct, real-time gnosis of their spiritual world. And what about Rastafarians?

Hell, even the Roman Catholic Church is BASED AROUND a centralized act of ritualized drug use- namely, the drinking of alcohol.

It's not a simplistic question of "drugs being bad", much less "God" being "better than" "drugs", which is about as close to a meaningless statement as I've seen.

Some drugs can be bad for some people, as some religions can be bad for some people.

[sampsonblk]

104. That isn't the distinction I was making

I was repeating what bandfanman said, with a minor change.

This is getting to be a ridiculous tangent. I didn't intend to talk about the merits of drug use.

[Warren DeMontague]

113. I have a cup of coffee pretty much every morning, and I have zero use for religion.

Ergo, Drugs are better than God.

[sampsonblk]

116. Let me know how that works out for you-nt

[Warren DeMontague]

117. It's working out great.

Thanks for asking.

[Skittles]

126. I'm saying they are both destructive - YES

absolutely

[hunter]

70. It's the alcohol babies who are really messed up.

And they advertise the drug on television.

[iamthebandfanman]

92. "Crack babies" is racist

but youre right, alcohol is societies real devil.

[Richard Steele]

28. Bullshit. "Religion" has enslaved & murdered more people than drugs ever will.

And that's just a fact.

Both can be bad, in large doses...but the worst-case scenario
for drug abuse is NOTHING compared to the average GENOCIDE.

[sampsonblk]

29. Sure. So doing crack is better than going to church?

I beg you to get real. The local church down the street is not in any way responsible for the sins of "religion" over the years.

[Richard Steele]

32. Try adjusting your "getting my point/putting words in my mouth" ratio.

Yer running yer "too clever by half" mixture way too rich, flyboy!
Pump some oxygen into the cabin, and ease back on the stick.

[sampsonblk]

43. Try re-reading the post you were responding to

[clixtox]

33. Having done both...

Smoking "Crack" (or "Free Base" in the 70s) was absolutely the most seductive "high" that I ever experienced. It isn't surprising to me how popular "crack" has been with those of us whose abject realities are bereft of positive, enjoyable lives and, most of all, hope.

Religion and churches are truly the "opiates of the masses". Useful tools for those who live to exploit and "dumb down" those searching for easy answers to the metaphysical conundrums or just a community, or tribe, to identify with in our sick, greedy, alienating culture.

Ironic, isn't it, that as we plunder and ruin the planet, and wipe out numerous species of innocent creatures, among other despicable crimes, we castigate those who find some solace in "illegal" drugs. Like they care what we think, we, the most vile, hypocritical deadly species ever spawned on this poor benighted planet...

How worthy could our advice or opinions be?

Blind, contemptuous, intolerant, hypocrites, we are, one and all, by any objective criteria!

It ain't pretty...

[The Stranger]

53. Fucking best post I have read on DU in six months.

[malaise]

55. Great post n/t

[LanternWaste]

107. it seems like console game systems, I-pods, cellphones and PC games have far outweighed

While religion may have been the opiate of the masses for a while, it seems like console game systems, I-pods, cellphones and PC games have far outweighed religion on the Opiate factor recently...

I imagine more people tune out of reality for a weekend of gaming, watching DVD's or just surfing the internet than going to church by a long shot...

[Warren DeMontague]

95. People recreationally smoking pot have as much to do with crack addicts

as the people at the local church down your street have to do with Abortion Clinic Bombings and Terrorism.

If you want to make blanket, across-the-board statements about "drugs" (alcohol, nicotine and caffeine being drugs too, BTW) then you need to be prepared to have "religion" handled in a similarly ham-fisted, simplistic manner.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

121. Porn is better than going to church.

:shrug:

[johnaries]

47. Not always. Depends on the church. nt

[The Stranger]

52. No, because church addicts start calling for world war, mass murder and death based on "scripture."

The world is a far, far worse place.

[dysfunctional press]

60. religion has been at the root of MANY of the world's WORST tragedies...

a world without religion would function much better than the one we have now. too many people worry more about the future of their non-existent 'immortal soul', than they do about the actual here and now of their brief life on this actual planet where we all actually reside.

if given a choice, i'd MUCH prefer a world with hemp and no religion, than a world with religion and no hemp...:hippie:

[sampsonblk]

76. That's all nothig new.

The bible agrees with you that religion and religiosity are bad - and so do I.

But that doesn't mean that the simple act of going to church is bad. Its the outward stuff, like trying to invade other countries to force them to worship the "right" way. Or putting people to death for sinning.

[dysfunctional press]

81. if there was no religion, why would people go to church?

and going to church isn't necessarily a good thing- a lot of people go to sunday services to be judgemental, and feel good about themselves by finding reasons to look down on others.

[sampsonblk]

87. To fellowship with others who share the same beliefs

But true to form, you put two human beings in a room and tell them they have a hotline to God...well sometimes it just aint pretty.

A lot of people go to church for a lot of reasons. Plenty of them are bad reasons.

[LanternWaste]

114. I'm of the opinion that greed far outweighs any other factor...

I'm of the opinion that greed far outweighs any other factor as the most direct and fulfilling contributor to man's lust for war. Religion, politics, philosophy have been used as justifications, but when we look at the root causes of most major conflicts, it's really nothing more than finding anyway possible to expand territory, riches and power for the select few.

I don't doubt for one moment that had religion never existed in our world, that warfare and violence would still be our primary pastime (next to console gaming that is). We'd simply find an additional justification for it to replace religion...

[Javaman]

69. Just like moron* in chief. nt

[Kucinich4America]

34. Hugh Moran's sister did porn??

I hope she got the looks in the family at least. Sure wouldn't want to open up an issue of Hustler and see a female version of this....



Oh wait, here she is......



Thank Jesus! She doesn't look anything like Hugh!

[CT_Progressive]

42. I'd hit that.

I'm a bad man.

[paparush]

128. Thank you..! This thread was USELESS without a pic!

[entanglement]

38. Good for her

Molested as a child, severe drug and alcohol abuse, an unwanted teenage pregnancy, attempted suicides, abusive boyfriend - this woman's life's been a veritable chronicle of horrors.

[sampsonblk]

41. Absolutely.

I think she's going to make it, though. She has a strong network of friends now.

[Lance_Boyle]

48. Ha!

She has a big network of grifters for jeebus, and she's hoping to get in on the take, too.

[iamthebandfanman]

51. im happy for her too

just dont blame the drugs for her mistakes or misfortunes.

[bullwinkle428]

67. If this girl had received decent therapy in her early teens,

she might have had a chance to avoid a life which sounds like a series of addictions - the church is just her latest in that addiction string...

[Javaman]

80. Exactly, read my post #77 about just that. nt

[melm00se]

39. it sounds like

some would prefer that she stay in the porn industry rather than leave it for a church.

The porn industry grinds 'em up, spits them out and doesn't give a crap when they die, it just moves onto the next piece of meat.

[blondeatlast]

50. Damn. I want her agent. Any contact info?

She's certainly on the publicity train right now...

[Javaman]

83. Yeah, replacing one porn with another LOL. nt

[JHB]

57. So what?

I must be missing the political significance of this person's personal affairs.
:shrug:

[sampsonblk]

72. This is a follow-up to a previous thread about the porn industry

Its just meant to be an update.

[JHB]

58. So what?

I must be missing the political significance of this person's personal affairs.
:shrug:

[iamthebandfanman]

61. ur not

just an excuse to slam drugs and the porn industry

[alcibiades_mystery]

62. No pictures at link = total ripoff!

:evilgrin:

[Liberal In Texas]

63. She might be in for a shock when she finds out how much being a social worker pays.

Unless of course that "nonprofit" group she's working with pay themselves real good salaries.

[iamthebandfanman]

65. thank you for pointing out

her real motivation for being in the porn industry.
im so tired of people blaming drugs for anything and everything.

say hello to the real evil, money.
but ill let the ignorant keep ignoring the real issue and go back to worshipping their false idol.

[hunter]

75. She quit porn, that's good.

But the people who quit by religion can be really irritating, and when they crash, Good Lord, they sometimes crash hard...

I've got some deep scars from someone who got transformed into a time bomb by this sort Christian outreach.

[sampsonblk]

79. I have seen that too

They join the church, to escape whatever they need to escape. Then they become the loudest, most obnoxious know-it-all bible-thumpers around. Everyone's going to hell but them.

Eventually, I would hope they'd realize no one is going to hell for smoking a cigarette or drinking a beer or whatever. But some people... you put that bible in their hands for the first time, and its like giving them a whip and telling them they are everyone's overseer. And that never lasts. Because we are all human.

[Javaman]

77. Just once I would love to read...

that an ex_____(fill in the blank) sought professional therapy to rid themselves of their addictive behavior. Jumping right into religion without some form of therapy, is just replacing one addiction with another.

moron* did it. countless thousands have done it. Other porn stars have done it.

And usually it turns them into jerks. Not nice jerks, but pain in the ass, Self righteous, trying to bury the past, get off my porch and preach your new addiction someplace else, type jerks.

The problem with people of addictive personalities, is they generally have an over developed ego. So their problem has to become your problem.

So they go from a porn, drug, alcoholic, sex addiction (take your choice) where they are with like minded people who keep them in the "scene", but then someone comes along and "saves" them. Usually, someone of their same addictive behavior ilk, to fold them into a life of god.

So now these people with the over developed ego, find other "formally addicted" people who are now part of their new "scene".

The behavior is still the same, but the drug of choice is different.

There should be an updated version of the movie "days of wine and roses", where instead of the Jack Lemon character going to AA, he gets hooked into a right-wing religious network and his wife, instead of continuing with alcohol, goes on to AA and gets therapy.

[sampsonblk]

82. Yep, that's a real problem-nt

[Lilith Velkor]

86. You do realize that AA is not therapy, right?

It's as chock-full of self righteous jerks (and rapists) as any fundie church.

[Javaman]

88. Yes I do, that's why I said AA and therapy. nt

[Lilith Velkor]

90. OK, so why is joining a proselytizing religion necessary?

Why not just get therapy?

[Javaman]

97. because there are a few that still enjoy religion for the spiritual aspect. nt

[Lilith Velkor]

108. So why don't they go to church instead of harassing sick people?

Why do the "spiritual" needs of a few religious bullies outweigh the REAL needs of the mentally ill?

[Javaman]

111. I don't know, why don't you ask them? nt

[Lilith Velkor]

125. Because you are the one recommending AA.

It is highly hypocritical (not to mention, dishonest) to assert that fundie Xianity is bad for sick people, then turn around and tout another coercive, proselytizing religion in its place.

[Javaman]

129. ??? Please reread my OP.

I didn't recommend it. I just said that the movie, "the days of wine and roses", should have AA as a thread for a modern remake.

[Lilith Velkor]

130. I disagree

AA propaganda is vile, and if there is an ideological war between AA and the fundies, someone should just drop a figurative nuke on both houses and let people who need medical attention get it without hassle from any kind of preacher.

Now if it were remade with Lemmon and Remick lookalikes, only he has a beard and she a wimple, and it was a porno movie called "Daze of Nuns and Moses," that would be more interesting. :silly:

[Javaman]

131. ...

are you off your meds?

do you enjoy putting words in peoples mouths?

if you choose to equate what I wrote and an idea for a script as being one and the same, you are fucking crazy.

Good day, you are now blocked.

Oh and please go see a doctor, you need your head examined.

[Lilith Velkor]

132. Personally attacking me does not change the fact

that it is unethical to push religion on sick people, especially as a condition of getting help. Your willful ignorance may give you more glad days, but your dishonesty is here for all to see.

And it's always a good day when a stepper zombie gets called on its bullshit. Thanks. :toast:

[Richard Steele]

89. Very well stated, Javaman. nm

[blondeatlast]

93. We never will read of that. Why do we never read of cancers cured

by current medical protocol? No "human interest" there. Same with this stuff. But there's a willing market for stories of being "saved" by religion.

As I say above, it helps to have a good agent--the kind that will dissuade you from therapy (boring, scientific, involved) but will steer you into the pretty fantasy world of "theatrical" Christianity. With theatrical religion, you still have the flattering lighting and the breathless, eager throngs one had in porn.

Therapy is a sweater-clad grad student who makes you do all the talking. Theatrical Religion is a charimatic charmer in Dior and Lancome with a professional script.

[Javaman]

98. Very good analogy :) nt

[LanternWaste]

101. Am I correct in that there are posters on this thread...

Am I correct in that there are posters on this thread who think Ms. Moran's decision was a bad one...?

Just. Frikkin'. Unbelievable.

[sampsonblk]

105. Yes, you are correct.

Unbelievable.

[Warren DeMontague]

115. No more unbelievable than the attitude that all porn stars should cover up and find Jesus.

If she's happy, good for her. Other people are perfectly happy to screw on camera- or to live heathen, godless secular humanist lifestyles. And good for them, too.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

120. Indeed.

She's got very questionable motives.

[blondeatlast]

122. And a shrewd agent. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

123. I think if she were more shrewd...

she wouldn't be linking the hate sites on her website.

:shrug:

[lildreamer316]

109. Here we go again. I thought we just had our rounds of this.

If you don't like the business, DON'T GET IN IT.
Otherwise, leave others to their lesson-learning or enjoyment.

[book_worm]

118. If this works for her then fine.