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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 01:51 PM Original message |
"Consent" |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. Consent is a vital term in the women's movement. |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. It's not stupid at all actually. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. That's not a problem with "consent," that's a problem with police, judges and prosecutors. |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. However |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
51. What you say is true in some cases, but not all. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Lack of consent implies a crime |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Is consent presumed when |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Legally, yes consent is presumed |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Sex does not = rape. That's the problem right there. |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Fine |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. In a sense, yes |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. This is going to get flamed all to heck, but I'm glad you posted it anyway. |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Thanks |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. At least they've changed the laws so rape is no longer a crime against property - |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Indeed. Sloooooooow progress is better than nothing, but still frustrating. nt |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. Oh uncommon, THANK YOU for coming to Du to try to get people to thinkd once in a while |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. What the hell? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. You were a freq poster yrs ago? |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Indeed - |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Thanks. Looks like we frequented many of the same threads in Choice |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Couldn't remember the password lol - |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. The issue is too important for flaming. |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. I concur. I mean, debate on the issue interests me, so I hope |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
3. How odd. I've certainly never seen women in that light. |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. The law does, not individual people. nt |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. The law is for dealing with interactions that have gone badly. |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Exactly - it's clumsy and doesn't protect |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
4. Just so I'm clear |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. No, we should legally presume that a woman who says she has been raped did not consent. |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. There's no distinction |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Then how do we make it possible for a victim to prove it? |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. There is no hard and fast rule |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
49. See, that's where you're incorrect. We cannot do that without changing |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. I think the best practice is to presume nothing about women, or |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I agree - we should assume full personal bodily sovereignty for all humans - |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. See, there you go again with the "we" thing. |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. "We" as a society. You are playing a semantics game and it isn't |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
48. No, you know, I'm not. |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Yes, we do |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. You make an excellent point. |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Thing is, if it truly is an act of mutual consent, |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Even if you were right that women never make false allegations - |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. I did not say NEVER. I said rarely. And that is true. nt |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. We don't know how rare it is, actually |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. That's not what was said -- rather that a woman who reports rape should be believed. |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. I didn't say a judge had to automatically convict - but that |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
37. Consensual sex = "a passive thing allowing acts to be committed upon her body"? |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. It's the word and what it implies that is the problem, not actual acts of consensual sex. nt |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Implying that sex is consensual does not ="a passive thing allowing acts to be committed upon her.. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
46. In a just society, the burden of proof must ALWAYS lay with the accuser. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
50. It is not Constitutionally permissible to presume guilt when an accusation of rape is made. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
52. I went to the sourced link. |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Yeah, shame on Twisty for demanding the comments be feminist. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I said I chuckled at the rules, not that I blame her. |
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