Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Obama's NAFTA moment: Reaganism under a Democratic Banner

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:50 PM
Original message
Obama's NAFTA moment: Reaganism under a Democratic Banner
Edited on Mon Dec-13-10 01:55 PM by Tom Rinaldo
Cut the size of Government, give taxpayers back their money, depend on the private sector for solutions to whatever ails us. Our nation is still in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression because of failed Right Wing policies, and Obama has now come fully around to pushing the Republican backed response; more cut taxes.

Obama partially caved on the first stimulus package and cut back on direct government job creating investment in key initiatives in order to carve out hundreds of billions more in tax cuts, cuts that few even know he even gave them. The result was insufficient stimulus and vastly hyped up fears about the growing Federal deficit, leading to the current virtual red light on any more new federal expenditures, even ones "fully paid for" with savings elsewhere.

Now Obama hammers Democrats to back adding virtually a trillion dollars more to the deficit over the next two years, the overwhelming majority of it the result of more tax cuts with zero spending on our infrastructure. That's Reaganism, pure and simple. It's a total Democratic ideological capitulation, with far reaching negative implications for average Americans. This is Obama's NAFTA moment. The Democratic Party got on baord for that ride also. Tighten your seat belts, we're going down.
Refresh | +23 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:02 PM
Response to Original message
1. He is making a mistake of epic proportions that 10 years from now will be vilified.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. I know it is strong words, I know it's even fighting words
Edited on Mon Dec-13-10 02:14 PM by Tom Rinaldo
I fully expected Obama's most loyal supporters to rate this thread down, and from that perspective I can't blame them. I do not equate Obama with Reagan, let alone the current Republican leadership. But this tax compromise that he is now backing IS Reaganism. A rose by another name and all of that...

He does this at a time when the Right wing is already emboldened to go after government as an institution, not just government funded programs. He does this when even the underlying rational for government giving unemployment benefits to those who lose their jobs and can't replace them during a severe economic downturn is under sharp attack. He does this when the Bi-partisan commission on the economy that he appointed already tried to propose shrinking the American economic safety net through sharp reductions in funding WITHOUT any new tax cuts adding to the deficit. He does this when the minimum wage is being slashed in Ireland and college tuition in Great Britain is being tripled because of belt tightening measures.

Emptying the govenment coffers as a tactic to force the shrinking of government to get it out of the way of the private sector is pure Reaganism, and this proposal is a straight forward expression of it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. 10 years??? Make that 1.5 years....
when the Pubs will be in full national debt OUTRAGE mode for the 2012 elections.... and all the 'I told you sos' from the liberals/progs. will be little solace for what we are headed for..
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. This will all, every last penny, be known as Obama's deficits
No contrary explanations will be heard above the din. And they will say that even as they push to make the tax cuts permanent. They will not feel any shame.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. And when the economy finally rebounds somewhat despite the Bush/Obama tax cuts for the wealthy,
it will be because of Bush/Obama trickledown, etc etc etc.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. These talking points are so well rehersed...
...even W wouldn't have needed a secret earphone to recite them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:05 PM
Response to Original message
2. recommend
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:06 PM
Response to Original message
3. ya it`s gimmie shelter time that is for sure and...
it`s not going to be pretty.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. When Clinton was pushing NAFTA a lot of Demopcrats were asleep at the wheel
We could use a few million alarm clocks going off right about now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. heard on NPR that this complaining by the "left" is helping him
triangulate...so...we are damned if we do and damned if we don't...

nothing will change the minds of the congress..it will pass....UI should never have been tied to tax cuts....that in itself was a trap for us....how could we complain when it means UI won't be there.....

I surrender...I give up..you won Obama.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. I reluctantly agree that there is nothing that will work now to undo this now
But the sooner the counter narrative gains voice and is heard, the quicker damage control can begin. Much like the Iraq war in a way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 04:21 PM
Response to Original message
12. NAFTA wasn't so bad
Once they got those environmental and labor side agreements worked out and adopted, it was great! Jobs coming out our ears; workers given the best conditions, paid properly and on time; and the Rio Grande along the maquiladora section? Fine wine should taste as good as the water there.

Wait; what?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 30th 2024, 04:04 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC