Carter Vs Obama

[Armin-A]

Anyone think they have a lot of similarities as far as giving in too easily, and not fighting for their ideas?

[FrenchieCat]

1. And Romney/Newt = Reagan????

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[Armin-A]

12. Hmm....how about this?

The republicans of the past were wise men. They were evil and only cared about their own interests. They were wise enough to fool people who would be hurt by their policies to support them. That kind of manipulation takes a lot of intelligence, and so they benefited from it. They created the crazy ideas like "trickle down."

That was the past.

This is the present. Those idiots that were influence by these "wise republicans of the past" are now the party leaders of the republicans. The ideas still remain the same, but all of the intelligence has gone away. The ones in the past had an agenda. The ones today just seem like they are pushing these ideas simply because they are morons.

Thoughts?

[DURHAM D]

2. No.

[TheWraith]

3. Um... no. Not at all.

Particularly funny to assert that Obama gives in too easily when he spent a freaking YEAR beating Congress into passing healthcare reform.

[banned from Kos]

4. Hell No. Obama has passed dozens of legislative acts and stuck with his principles.

Carter passed very little of importance other than deregulation. Airlines, trucking, energy, banking - Carter got the DeReg ball moving for Reagan to run with. Carter even passed the Civil Service Act which restricted federal employees collective bargaining rights.

[karynnj]

5. Carter is not known for not fighting for his ideas

He actually was a highly principled man, who did not triangulate or give in - even when the odds were against him. I didn't always agree with him, but it wasn't because he didn't fight, it was that he was too conservative. As to Obama, he has won a hell of lot more than could be expected given the implacable opposition.

Rather a negative post on 2 Democratic Presidents - and so early in your posting.

[Armin-A]

9. I'm sorry did not mean it that way...

was just trying to make comparisons most people don't see very often to get a good conversation going on people's views on politics present vs pre-reagan

[freshwest]

13. +1

[nevergiveup]

6. Norman? Is that you?

[CakeGrrl]

7. No. That's an overly simplistic comparison.

I don't recall Carter facing an increasingly vitriolic, obstructionist GOP whose main objective was to derail his presidency.

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[Armin-A]

10. maybe true but

As someone who works in the healthcare industry, I have dealt with a fair amount of insurance companies. Personally, I think the president/congress/everyone is not doing enough to push a healthcare system that 'cares about health' instead of having the privatized fiends rape and pillage the pockets of the people of this country.

So much more needs to be done... that's all

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. +1

;)

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[JoePhilly]

15. Let's ask Osama-Bin-Laden ... opps, can't ... he's dead.

enjoy your stay

[Armin-A]

24. just a clarification

are you saying the death of bin laden was positive and the government handled everything properly? please don't attack me i'm not saying you're wrong or right in your thinking just want a clarification of your comment if you have the time to spare

[JoePhilly]

27. The right likes to make the claim that Carter was weak ... and that Obama is weak as well.

The "weak" meme was used effectively against Carter ... and we got Reagan.

The right used the "weak" meme against Gore, and we got Bush.

And they'd like to use the "weak" meme now against Obama ... so that we get maybe Romney or Newt next.

Having painted Carter as weak, they would now like to try to argue that Obama is "just like Carter", and is therefore "weak".

This started well before Obama became President.

So my point in referencing OBL is that it simply refutes the "weak meme" altogether.

Now I could continue with some other examples ... for instance ...

Obama got HCR passed ... something Clinton and Carter were unable to do. He was able to strengthen the financial regulations, which Clinton had allowed to be weakened in 1999 (weak?). Carter was unable to get the hostiges from Iran. Reagan had the Lebanon bombing (and he cut and ran after ... weak?). Clinton and Bush #2 each had a major terrorist attacks occur in the US, in their first year. Not so for Obama.

In addition, Obama is getting us out of Iraq as he said he would. He took that position very early, well before even running for President ... that sound weak?

Carter had a huge military failure in his attempt to rescue the hostages. Obama took out OBL, and has helped get rid of two other ME dictators, far more effectively that any prior President. Is that weak?

So my point is that any attempt to suggest that Obama is "weak" using a comparison to Carter, fails immediately. And the removal of OBL, by the Obama administration, is one of the most obvious refutations.

Hope that helps.

[Armin-A]

28. very nice read

thank you for you post. i enjoyed reading through you analysis of the "weak meme" idea.

Good points... very well connected through out

[MineralMan]

16. Yah, both served as President of The United States and both

are Democrats. Do I win a prize or something?

[WI_DEM]

17. No, and Carter didn't give in too easily. If you look at his record he accomplished a lot as has

Obama.

My God, Carter went all out to get a Comprehensive Energy Program over opposition from GOP and even many dems. He was persistent at Camp David and got the Peace Treaty. He had a lot of opposition to Panama Canal Treaties and they passed. He wasn't a guy who gave in easily and neither has Obama.

[Armin-A]

19. Wow

Thank you for an actual response that isn't just aimed to attack me personally for asking, but to address the issue with your opinion.

[dionysus]

18. nice try, rookie... you'll need to do better than that...

:rofl:

[Safetykitten]

20. I'm no rookie, but you may want to get a heads up. He's polling worse than Carter.

[JoePhilly]

21. Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mac56]

23. Apples over here. Oranges over there.

Don't spend your time comparing the two.

[Enrique]

22. Carter is before my time

but in hindsight I don't see him as being like Obama. I picture him as being somewhat rigid, which is very different from Obama.

[thatsrightimirish]

25. I believe there was a lot more turmoil in the Carter administration

Half way through his presidency he fired everybody in his cabinet. The Iran hostage crises was a dark cloud for four years. President Obama has had many foreign affair accomplishments (Bin Laden, Libya, START 2) While both are suffering weak economies, I think Obama is a much stronger President and his opponent will not be nearly as charismatic as Reagan.

[treestar]

26. No, I don't think either had that trait

"fighting for ideas" is very vague. Used by persons just venting that it's not so easy.

[Armin-A]

29. Was trying to leave it open

I was trying to leave it open so that people could go with it and give me opinions.
Sorry I suppose I did not make the post clear enough about my intentions with this topic.

[MFrohike]

30. They both fought for their ideas

Those are ideas just happen to fall in line with neoclassical orthodoxy.

[Ter]

31. I'm eating a pizza right now

Want some?