I am not going to comment on what happened tonight

[MineralMan]

except to say that I do not want to hear any more Obama bashing on DU. I'm sure I will, but I am simply not going to deal with it any longer.

President Obama needs all of our support. This is a crisis situation, and if we cannot support him in this crisis, we fail miserably.

So, for those who continue to post nothing but negative statements regarding the President, all you will accomplish will be to earn my contempt and the contempt of all who want to find a solution for the situation and avoid our default on our obligations. I'm not going to argue with you. I'm not even going to acknowledge that you have posted yet more attacks on the Democratic President of The United States.

Some may find that to be a good thing. It is not. Until this debt limit issue is solved, we have a serious need to support President Obama. Once it is solved, there will be ample time to attack him on other grounds if that's your bent. But not now. Not at this moment.

I call for solidarity in support of the man we elected to be President. If we cannot muster that, then we fail.

That is all.

[gateley]

1. K&R!

Although I reserve the right to bitch and WTF???? Ultimately, he's always had my support. :patriot:

[freshwest]

23. +1,000

[a kennedy]

2. Love you MineralMan....

have wanted to tell you before, but now, you are my favorite. :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

[MineralMan]

4. I'm very honored that you would say that.

Truly.

[DevonRex]

9. So do I!! Nt

[MineralMan]

24. Thanks so much!

:hug:

[DevonRex]

32. Oh goody!

I get a hug! :hug:

[jaxx]

3. Big K & R

[still_one]

5. No bashing, but no way will I blindly follow either unless I know details /nt

[KittyWampus]

25. See- that's totally fair. And honest. And understandable.

[Kaleva]

6. Rec'd

[gademocrat7]

7. Thank you.

[Scurrilous]

8. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Name removed]

10. Deleted message

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[Kahuna]

14. +100

:patriot:

[rhett o rick]

115. I agree. Let's go with the right instead of the left. nm

[Number23]

62. Only a few weeks back?

Some of us are WAAAAAYYYYY ahead of you! :rofl:

+1 on your comment and a big rec to this OP. Kudos, MM!

[rhett o rick]

113. I so agree. Go with the Republicans they make so much more sense than the stupid left. nm

[mdmc]

127. repetitive, bizarre and tiring.

thats me in a nutshell..

[peace4ever]

129. thats why we have this mess, many of our top leaders simply ignore us.

and its not just the 'left', it is MOST of the american people according to the polls.

[rhett o rick]

136. What issues do you disagree with the left? nm

[Kahuna]

11. K&R, MM!

:patriot:

[liberalmuse]

12. Love you for saying this.

My God, this is like the first reasonable thing I've read here in weeks. THANK YOU! :hug:

[Kahuna]

15. Love you for loving MM...

:grouphug:

[MineralMan]

20. Thank you. It is time, I think, for the majority of DUers who support

the President in this difficult time to step up and make that known. I'm heartened to see the response to this thread.

[RKP5637]

13. K&R!!! Agree!!! This is the time to pull the wagons together!!! n/t

[bluestate10]

16. You're wise. Stand back and let echo chamber denizens wear themselves out.

Being in one of their OPs is like being in a circus of the inane.

[HereSince1628]

17. There are DAYS left for the R's to try to hype crisis to their advantage...

They will agree to the debt ceiling limit with seconds, if not minutes to spare.

This is brinksmanship frome the R's, a sense of crisis and impending doom is proper posturing to get more concessions for the conservatives.

[tallahasseedem]

18. I stand with you MineralMan...

I will do whatever it takes to keep the pubs out in 2012.

[robinlynne]

19. There is not going to be a default. That is a shock doctrine fear created. big business already

told the republicans last week they need to raise the debt limit. That means it will be a done deal.

[elehhhhna]

30. thank you no shit it's a fake frigging crisis

[housewolf]

21. Thanks for that!

I'm with you 100%

[greenbird]

22. Thank you.

Just thanks. That's all.

[Broderick]

26. He is letting the Republicans frame the entire debate.

[MineralMan]

27. .

Feh!

[Broderick]

35. Just my frustration

I wish for several things.

Downsize the military
Get rid of the tax cuts on the wealthy
Close the corporate loopholes like GE had


But, we are talking about another plan, not a Democratic plan. we are negotiating from a defensive posture.

Those plans include

No tax increase
Reduction in SS and Medicare

sigh.

But if playing defense in a nice sounding voice makes sense and makes ya all feel good fine.

[gateley]

75. Obama is willing to make Pentagon cuts (don't know how that

was met by the Repubs, though), and we're not sure WHAT reductions on SS and Medicare he had on the table.

So what would you do if you were in his place? You know it's essential we don't default, you need votes from both sides, they're not playing ball.

What would you do?

And, he obviously didn't give them all they wanted otherwise they wouldn't have walked. Maybe you're underestimating him?

[Broderick]

119. Me?

I have written in one post above more of a plan than Obama or the democrats. Period. They let the republicans frame the debate. Jump for joy folks cause he talks nice. Sigh.

[kelly1mm]

28. Funny, I never read anywhere here that he did not know how to deliver

a great speech. It is always with the actions that people have a problem with. You can keep the speeches, I will follow the actions.

[tularetom]

You're a good man and I'm sorry you're going to ignore me

And I have to say I will support the president for reelection in 2012.

However until I hear that he has awakened to the realities that he is trying to deal with people who don't want to deal, and decided to take positive action on his own to resolve what in fact may be a made up crisis I'm going to question his efficacy.

I'm glad that he's unhappy that his enemies didn't accept his latest offer, but it was a crappy offer. Hopefully he'll do the right thing and quit trying to placate people who hate is guts.

[Forkboy]

29. When a deal is done and there are no cuts to SS I'll join in the victory dance.

There is still no deal, so any victory celebrations are as premature as the complaints you're complaining about, no?

As for your contempt, you've been making that clear to people for a long time, whether you realize it or not. It shines through in many of your posts already, so what would be new? I doubt many are going to be too devastated that their not a part of your reindeer games.

And as I said elsewhere, in a democracy the citizens should be perpetual gadflies. Now is ALWAYS the time to speak out. If we cannot muster that, we fail.

[suffragette]

50. + 1,000

[Bluenorthwest]

66. Perfectly stated and it will go unanswered.

Because it is so true.

[Forkboy]

70. He has comtempt for me lol.

:D

[QC]

85. How will you hold up under such a crushing burden? n/t

[Forkboy]

92. It'll be a constant struggle, I'm sure.

:)

[socialist_n_TN]

78. Agree. I'll congratulate when SS and Medicare and

Medicaid is safe from Republicans AND Democrats.

Wall Street wants the debt ceiling raised, so it will be raised. Now, they ALSO want to get their hands on OUR Social Security money too, so they backed the bluff for a while. But they've already started folding. And there's enough corporate Dems and Republicans together to do Wall Street's bidding and just raise the debt ceiling. The rest of this shit is just Kabuki Theater.

Regardless, if OUR working class social programs are safe for a while, that'll be enough to breathe a sigh of relief. For now.

[Iris]

103. agreed. This is what I'm holding my breathe for.

And I, too, hope to breathe a sigh of relief, even if just for now.

[mochajava666]

105. Well said, as usual.

[Zorra]

155. Yep. Show me the money. nt

[HipChick]

31. K&R

[WillyT]

33. It Was A Good Press Conference, And It's A Start, But You Might Want To Put Me On Ignore...

because I don't do the STFU bit.

And the power of DU, is waaay over-estimated in the minds of many DUers.

Sorry...

:shrug:

[MineralMan]

36. I don't put people on ignore, except for three.

So, I'll still see your posts. I just won't discuss them with you.

[WillyT]

39. That's Cool... I'll Miss Your :kick:s Though...

;)

:hi:

[juajen]

34. I'm in with trepidation. I do not believe he ever intended to

hurt ss and medicare and medicaid. If that is true, he plays a damn fine game of poker.

[rury]

37. K&R!!!!!!!!

[Itchinjim]

38. +1G

[Booster]

40. I have to admit that I've doubted him, but I haven't really ever

bashed him. I am behind him all the way after that press conference. He was great and I love a pissed off President. K&R

[Rex]

41. He gave them everything and they said no.

What else is their to understand? They are idiots and I believe he knows that.

[sad sally]

42. Don’t believe everything you think. n/t

[madamesilverspurs]

43. Concur totally.

It is unnerving to see this president subjected to an escalating degree of disrespect that has been visited on no other president in my lifetime.


As for Boehner, somebody please tell him that no, his job is NOT just like the President's.


-

[MineralMan]

47. You're right. Boehner's job is nothing like the President's,

and he has failed even at his own job. I hope they toss him from his position. In fact, I believe he should resign tomorrow in shame. He is a blubbering failure.

[Number23]

73. "an escalating degree of disrespect that has been visited on no other president in my lifetime."

It's as plain as day, isn't it? And so many of us are supposed to pretend that we don't see it. That folks are just "holding his feet to the damn fire."

It must suck for these people that we see right through them. That they have fooled NO ONE, except possibly themselves.

[kayakjohnny]

44. My take is similar to yours, but for this.....

"This is a (manufactured) crisis situation, and if we cannot support him in this (manufactured) crisis, we fail miserably."

[Maven]

45. Some will continue to judge the substance of any proposal, not the rhetoric

and do so without permission or validation from you.

"Until this debt limit issue is solved, we have a serious need to support President Obama."

Servile.

Self-important.

Dangerous.

[Forkboy]

48. +1

[hlthe2b]

46. Clinton had his share of asshole RETHUGS, but Obama's share...

could scarcely be worse, more intransigent, and generally unwilling to do anything on behalf of this country, if it does not further their own personal agenda. I have my occasional qualms with Obama, but there could scarcely be anyone who, in his place, could deal more effectively with this crowd of assholes. On that, I am pretty convinced.

I hope he has a long term strategy going. While I'm agnostic on most things spiritual, on that I simply will have to have faith.

My frustration runneth over, but I do not lose focus on who deserves the blame. It surely isn't President Obama. He has me in his corner as long as he continues to protect those who are truly hurting.

[EFerrari]

49. The latest attempt to shut down discussion just when people need to mobilize

on their own behalf to protect our social programs.

That's disgusting.

At least you are consistent.

[MineralMan]

52. And yet you're posting in this thread.

I can shut nothing down. When will you realize that? I can only post my opinion. What's your point, really? If I can't shut down the discussion, then where's the issue? I simply said I wouldn't acknowledge any further attacks on the President until this crisis is over. I have no power to make you do or not do anything, nor would I if I could. I can, however, refuse to acknowledge you when you bash the President, and I will. Post on.

[Forkboy]

53. Well now you've gone and earned his contempt.

Your weekend will never be the same. :)

[KoKo]

122. We will all have to eat Oats or Dirt...because we are on the edge of BANNED FOREVER.

Suck it Up...

[proud patriot]

51. !

:patriot:

[MineralMan]

56. ! right back at you!

Thanks.

[readmoreoften]

54. And I don't want to hear any more apologies for this failure of a president.

So let's not talk. I don't want to hear you defend these cuts when they happen anyway.

[spanone]

69. you don't have to listen. 'failure of a President' really. damn.

[Blue_In_AK]

55. You can do whatever you want,

deal or don't deal, but this thing is far from over, and I will continue to hold Obama's feet to the fire.

[MineralMan]

58. I can, indeed, as can you.

[readmoreoften]

57. You cannot call "solidarity" with a leader. Solidarity is with the People.

What you're calling for is obedience.

[MineralMan]

61. You are incorrect, sir. I am talking about people. I'm talking about

DUers being in solidarity and supporting the President in a time of crisis. You are mistaken.

[Maven]

102. Wow. Those same words might have come out of the mouth of a Bushie right before

we invaded Iraq.

Seriously, scary.

BTW, you were just talking to a "ma'am," not a sir.

[in_cog_ni_to]

106. Eerily like "If you're not with us, you're against us." or "Either you stand with us, or you stand

with Al Qaeda." :scared:

Up is down. Black is white. In is out. Wrong is right.

[cali]

59. Really? You think I actually care whether or not I "earn your contempt"?

Wowzer. How self-important of you. And as for failure, perhaps you might consider that Obama is failing us.

[MineralMan]

63. No, I do not think you care. But, then, I was not actually

addressing you. Nor shall I in the future.

[graywarrior]

60. Awesome! Thank you!

[MineralMan]

64. And thank you for your continuing support for a Democratic

President.

[graywarrior]

65. That's why I'm at DU.

[Forkboy]

68. Is there a deal done yet that I'm missing?

Aren't calls for a victory lap just as premature as what the OP is complaining about in others? :shrug:

[rhett o rick]

67. If you truly want solidarity then stop using the word "bashing". That's not very friendly.

Trust me, those of us that fought hard to get Pres Obama elected want very badly to support him. For you to insinuate otherwise isnt conducive to solidarity. In fact, it's divisive.

I guess the difference between groups here in DU is the amount of abuse one is willing to take at the hands of the Republicans. I, speaking for myself, am fed up and want to stop giving the farm away. The lesser of evils is chipping away at Democratic principles.

You cant compromise with blackmailers, terrorists and Republicans.

The revolution is waiting.

[rbnyc]

91. +1

The OP kind of reminds me of "My country, right or wrong."

I'm with you.

I also want to say that part of supporting our elected officials is to express our concerns and values to them and hold their feet to the fire.

[in_cog_ni_to]

71. I choose to stand in solidarity with senior citizens and poor people. Sorry, bud. n/t

[MineralMan]

74. I am a senior. I'm 66 years old.

My household income last year was below the poverty line. I'm not feeling it from you. Sorry.

[in_cog_ni_to]

99. My husband is a senior citizen and pissed as hell. He feels it and he feels it from me. Sorry. n/t

[KoKo]

124. How do we know that? Can you post a verified Birth Certificate along with your IRS Statement?

I don't know you...you don't know me. I have to accept your "Persona" on this website and you are dealing with what little of my own "Persona" that I reveal to you.

Why should I believe anything you say...any more than you should believe anything I say.

ITS THE WEB! You can be WHOMEVER ...WHOEVER you Want to BE. You have many persona's... Which is the one that is the TRUE ONE? Or MINE?

[sabrina 1]

151. Me too, well said in_cog_ni_to

[CakeGrrl]

72. K/R

If it isn't clear who the REAL enemies are in this thing, then...

[Number23]

76. Well, I was rec #14 but somehow you're back to 10.

:rofl: By the time I post this, you'll probably be at 3. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl::rofl:

Even though I think this is probably one of the greatest exercises in futility I've ever seen (no more Obama bashing on DU? Then what will GD talk about???) I have to give you your props.

[MineralMan]

79. Thanks. I don't care about recs, anyhow.

I do thank you for your support, though.

[girl gone mad]

77. I welcome your contempt.

[MineralMan]

80. That's nice. Thanks for the kick.

:hug:

[TheKentuckian]

81. My support of any politician is always conditional and that is not circumstantial

Your contempt is your option and probably nothing new.

[MineralMan]

86. Actually, I have no idea who you are, so no, I can't say.

I have any contempt for you. And yes, it is my option.

[Edweird]

82. So you'll have contempt for me if I dare find Obama's willingness to cut social programs diagreeable

I don't care.
Deal with it.
If he straightens up and flies right (Left) he will regain my support.
If he continues advocating RW policy he does not.
It's as simple as that.

[MineralMan]

87. You'll do as you please, I'm sure.

As will I.

[DCBob]

83. I have been ignoring the bashers for quite sometime.

it feels so good!

[Ruby the Liberal]

84. MMan, POTUS told us to hold his feet to the fire. To MAKE him do (generic) 'it'

I am not going to STFU if he is going down a path that concerns me, but as with tonight, I will applaud him when I think he is working in our best interests.

I will miss interacting with you. Have a nice weekend. :toast:

[MineralMan]

89. I do not remember interacting with you in the past.

I'm glad you support what he said tonight, though.

[H2O Man]

88. gracious

[MineralMan]

90. Adamant, rather.

[Patriot 76]

93. K & R

Haters are gonna hate.

[Bladian]

94. Great post.

Been waiting to see a thread that captured this sentiment, and I found it. Thanks so much. :D

[Marr]

95. I really don't see how you managed to climb up on that high horse.

First you refused to comment because we 'didn't know what he was offering'. Now that Obama has confirmed that he has offered massive cuts to SS and Medicare, you not only don't want to talk about it, but demand that everyone who was *right* to begin with cease complaining about it.

[LWolf]

96. I support politicians

who are clear, strong, and unambiguous in their active support of left-wing policy. The only failure I acknowledge is the failure to elect that brand of politician.

Period.

On another topic, I'll take this rare opportunity to mention that my grandson caught his first fish last month; what a rush!

[Fire1]

97. Thanks MineralMan!! He certainly has my full support. n/t

[Tennessee Gal]

98. k & r in unity nt

[Deb]

100. Thank you

:fistbump:

[Odin2005]

101. I cannot in good conscience support a man who stabbed his base in the back.

[KoKo]

130. Good point...and even though that sounds harsh...it seems to be what POB is doing..

it gets harder to defend him...as he's done a blitz against his fellow Democrats with Speeches, Press Conferences and now the Town Hall ..where he Blitzes us about how we have to "Sacrifice, Eat our Peas and realize that we brought this on ourselves by racking up all this debt we've done...and now Wall Street is telling us ...We "Consumers" must STOP our WASTEFUL WAYS or AMERICA WILL NOT SURVIVE!

Throw the Oldies UNDER THE BUS...They are sucking everything out of America with their health care needs and their other "ENTITLEMENT/WELFARE" payouts...that are in danger of cutting out Student Loans, Corporate Investment in Small Businesses and not helping the Banking Industry because they are too reluctant to put their money in the Stock Market after the Dot Com Booom/Bust...Housing Implosion and the Melt Down of '08-09...and they really need to understand that "AMERICAN BUSINESS NEEDS THEIR MONEY!" If you don't GIVE US YOUR MONEY the WHOLE AMERICAN SYSTEM IS IN DANGER OF DEFAULT!

:wow: He's laid a lot on our plates for us to swallow...hasn't he?

[louslobbs]

104. Edit

posted twice
Lou

[Bonobo]

107. "I am not going to comment on what happened tonight"

Kind of defeats the purpose of a political discussion board.

The rest of your OP is focused on discussing other DU members --also contrary to the spirit of the DU rules.

A call for everyone to bite their tongues on a discussion board is not the same as a call for solidarity. It is worse because it tries to weaken people's freedom of expression while making no attempt to change their underlying beliefs or understanding of the situation.

[Forkboy]

108. "I am not going to comment on what happened tonight"

Except to post a long winded, self-aggrandizing post about it, and then reply to people throughout the thread about it. Other than that though, I'm saying nuthin'. :)

[Kaleko]

149. Yep. The self-contradictory nature of the OP had my amp go all the way up to 11!

It's sweet to see you nailing it so succinctly in just one sentence.

[dbt]

109. You have done a great service to DU.

I find your awesomeness to be completely awesome. I, like you, will maintain radio silence in honor of this revealed wisdom. Thank you SO MUCH!!!

:loveya:

On Edit: I am at a complete loss to explain the lack of recommendations to such an obviously brilliant post. It is apparent that many, many of my fellow DUers remain woefully misguided. I pray ever so fervently that the Light may soon fall upon them. Amen.

[rhett o rick]

111. Gag me with a fork. nm

[XanaDUer]

135. Did you forget the sarcasm tag?

:)

[Agony]

110. He made his bed, he can lie in it

If he had stood up to the republicans all along we would not be in this spot.
The real question is why didn't he stand up to them and I think the answer is that he never intended to.
He could start applying HOPE AND FUCKING CHANGE right now if only... not likely given his track record.

[rhett o rick]

112. If I state that I dont think SS and Medicare should be on the table, is that "bashing". nm

[Lucian]

114. You're not going to comment...except you do.

Your ego needs a little feeding today, eh?

I'll support the guy when he decides not to throw the poor under the bus.

[rhett o rick]

116. Let's put it this way. In war there are only two sides. Our side wants to protect SS, what does your

side want? Seriously. The right wants to kill SS and the left wants to save SS. Which side are you on??

[in_cog_ni_to]

131. They have to wait to see what Obama does...then they'll be able to answer that. n/t

[mmonk]

117. People that lecture others trend towards my contempt.

I respect people that make valid arguments or points whether I agree or not. But Obama has made some pretty bad decisions since 2008. So have the Third Way Dems. He's made of couple of good ones as well but I can count more bad ones. That, of course, is the observations and opinion of this progressive. It doesn't make me right but it doesn't make me wrong either.

[Zenlitened]

118. K&R for sheer hilarity. - n/t

[KoKo]

120. When did YOU take over the Democratic Underground Board? You're not even a Moderator...

What's with this sudden surge of Bravado from you? Bad Night?

[Jim Warren]

121. Much ado about nothing

...

[cliffordu]

123. K&R

[Chan790]

125. No idealism-shaming!

If he enters into or presents a bad deal because he's a bad Democrat, he deserves to be called on his shit. It's like Barney Frank said..."there are worse things than a default."

If we'd turn a blind-eye to Democratic ideals to support an individual, we're rooting for laundry and likewise we fail.

[peace4ever]

126. It is policy bashing. FYI

I don't want to hear any more people on DU trying to reduce this serious policy debate, to a childish tantrum about a cult of personality, rather than what it is really about, POLICY.

[uppityperson]

128. k&r

[Auntie Bush]

132. I'm with you 100% Mineral Man

Nice to see someone stick up for our Democratic President on a Democratic site.
Sad that it is such a rare experience. With friends like some members on this site...who needs...................

[Luminous Animal]

133. With Democratic friends who are willing to sell out the social safety net, who needs Democrats?

[rhett o rick]

137. You stick with who ever you like. I am sticking with Democratic principles. nm

[XanaDUer]

134. Kick

nt.

[inna]

138. LOL, what a thoroughly ridiculous OP. It would be downright hilarious if not for the grave

nature of issues at hand. Thanks for providing an insight into.... that particular mentality, though; it's quite, uh, educational.

[Bobbie Jo]

139. Recommended.

:kick:

[snot]

140. Mineral Man, I respect you. But I have to ask, when will it again be ok to disagree w/ the Prez.?

I'm not being sarcastic. I would just like to know where you draw the line between times of crises that require our unquestioning support vs. the rest of the time.

[kentuck]

141. I will support the President when I think he is right...

...and I will criticize him when I think he is wrong. I will not show solidarity if wants to cut Social Security. We'll have to wait and see if that is in the final package. If he says he supports cuts in SS, I take him at his word. I do not read between the lines that he is only playing a game with the Repubs.

The time to criticize is before something drastic happens rather than after the fact. I think your post is absolute nonsense.

[fascisthunter]

142. oh brother...

[Generic Other]

143. I join the other ones treated with contempt

Teachers blamed for the ills of nation's youth
Unions blamed for destroying American businesses
Seniors blamed for feeling entitled
Sick people blamed for pre-existing conditions or who can't afford medical care
Unemployed blamed for using unemployment benefits when they can't find work
Students blamed for taking out ruinous loans in order to become educated
Children blamed for living in poverty
Homeless blamed for littering the urban environment by their presence
Democrats blamed for questioning their president's willingness to capitulate to any GOP demands no matter how vile.

I don't think the OP ever talked to me before he penned his post, so it will not be much of a hardship for him to shun me now.

[ScreamingMeemie]

144. We have already failed. nt

[The Midway Rebel]

145. What crisis is there...

besides the one where a democratically elected Democratic president fails to do what we elected him to do?

[bvar22]

146. LOL.

Bad Night?

[William769]

147. Well in all fairness

The President isn't giving him anything to work with.

[jtown1123]

148. I am calling for solidarity for sticking up for Democratic principles, and not the label.

[malaise]

150. Kick

That is all :D

[Flubadubya]

152. I'll support him alright...

Just like I did my lousy blue dog representative Mike Ross for about the first year or so after he was elected. I was so hoping to see him do something that showed he was promoting Democratic values and was not wearing the "D" behind his name ostensibly. Unfortunately, as time progressed and he became even more ensconced in the Washington/Legislator lifestyle and persona, it finally became apparent that he was ANYTHING BUT a Democrat. That's when the man totally lost my support... I refused to even vote for him on at least 5 occasions.

The general election in 2010 was the first time I broke that trend and I did vote for him, but only because the situation was so critical. It was so important that we at least try to prevail with an overall majority caucus in the House, but even that failed. Nonetheless, I rallied around the sorry bastard, held my nose, and supported him. I am just tickled me pink, though, that he is not running again. Hallelujah!! In this same vein and manner, I will support Obama through this crisis (even despite the fact that it is an artificial crisis). Nonetheless, it is, as you say quite important that we do not default on the debt limit.

As I just stated, I am also willing to rally behind President Obama in a time of crisis and will certainly support him in any effort he makes against the rabid right-wing Rethugs. However, over the past 2 years he has proven time and again that his real constituency is mainly the rich banksters and corporateers... and NOT WE THE PEOPLE!!!

Now, I just have one question. If Obama finally delivers the "coup de grace" (not gras, by the way, which means "fat" in French), and makes it quite clear that he is really more Republican than Democrat, will you actually concede the point, or do you have so much invested in being an "Obama adherent" that to admit he is not what he claims to be, you just could not afford to lose face by admitting such? :shrug:

[Whisp]

153. I haven't really looked at it this way... there are a lot of Boners here!

exact same attitude of nothing Obama does will ever be good enough. harumph!!

[Whisp]

154. dupe

dupe

[PVnRT]

156. Error: you can only unrecommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours

I'm proud to be in your circle of contempt.

EDIT: title typo

[Armstead]

157. I will support Obama as soon as he takes this shit off the table for now

I'm not going along with the Shock Docturne aporoach that we should put ourselves into a GOP made straightjacket for the long term, to solve a phony short term manufactured crisis.

There is more than enough time to hash over long term budget priorities and taxes and possible cuts.

But the only really Adult thing Obama should do now is to tell the GOP to stop blackmailing the country and pass the fucking debt ceiling now, with no conditions.

HE can talk about compromise after that.

WHEN HE DOES THAT HE WILL HAVE MY FULL SUPPORT.