Is it time for an intervention?

[thewiseguy]

I am following up on Libya's events today and looks like Gaddafi is indiscriminately bombing his civilians all over the country. I just do not know whether the world should stand idle and the let the guy literally kill millions...

[damntexdem]

1. Stop supporting Gaddafi and other tyrants. Give asylum for defecting military personnel.

Impose sanctions. But NO SENDING IN OF TROOPS.

[lonestarnot]

2. Don't go get'n all warmongerie on us now.

[Poboy]

3. The United States of Goldman Sachs has the day off for the holiday.

They will issue a statement possibly tomorrow.
Thank you for your concern, go back to work.

[robdogbucky]

4. Poboy that was funny

Luckily I had finished my coffee or my screen would be trashed now.

I just listened to an analysis by Patty Culhane, AJE's correspondent at the State Dept. and it was acknowledged that this one is a sticky wicket for the gang in Foggy Bottom right now. Does not help to know the entire Arab world is watching how the US reacts to all of these various uprisings.

It was opined that they had leverage with Egypt due to the foreign aid splashed on their dictator for the last 30 years.

We do not have that relationship with Lybia, our only interest in them is their part in the terror campaigns and OIL.

Yup, today because it is a "holiday," in the US none of the experts asked thought anything would come out of Washington today. Even though the live firing upon unarmed protestors continues unabated in Tripoli. The correspondent and the experts further opined that we do have a strategic interest in Bahrain and that is the only reason Foggy Bottom came out with strongly worded warnings and even phone calls to the royal family we have propped up there for the last few decades. I did not know that the Bahraini thing went back to when Iran claimed it and the UN finally declared Bahrain an independent nation in the 70s. Ironic that is when we built the large naval base with the 6th Fleet there.

We can only hope that things work out in favor of the protestors in Lybia without any help from the US mainly because we have no leveraged influence there. Remember the entire Arab world is watching how we deal with these various and very different relationships we have with many in the oil patch of the middle east.

Another current concern is the flood of refugees from Lybia to neighboring states. The closest ones on land are worried but the one closest across the Mediterranean, Italy, is the only one compelled to react, as the refugees are flooding into Island states that are Italian possessions in the middle of the Med.

The Lybian delegate to the UN is now being interviewed, claiming he has always served the people there, never served the regime, etc. He is spinning but also sounds desperate. Claims he has had no contact with the regime, claims he is not worried about the regime's reaction to his speaking out. He is outraged his fellow Lybians are being gunned down. Says that Ghaddafi has to get out now, otherwise the Lybian people will take him out.

Wow! Getting close to the end for Moamar and family.


The Revolution will not be televised but it will be on Twitter.

[Poboy]

5. Yep, no shock there. Funny but true, of course many a true thing is said in jest.

Thanks for the info/update.

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[SDuderstadt]

11. What "agenda" would that be...

dude?

[SDuderstadt]

12. Define irony:

being lectured on anything by someone calling me a "douche".

Too funny.

[Rebubula]

13. My rude rubuke..

...and subsequent deletion of my post do not mean that you qualify for the title any less.

It is silly and pedantic (sometimes the overwhelming tone from many people here) to see a long, well thought out post and then simply dismiss it because someone's spellcheck did not pick up the misspelling (technically NOT a misspelling as Lybia is genus of crabs).

[SDuderstadt]

16. I see...

so you think calling people names is intelligent.

BTW, what does your "spell-checker" make of "rubuke"?

Too funny.

[Rebubula]

19. OK...

...I have to laugh at myself for that one. That was beyond dumb considering what I was writing...DOH.

I never claimed to be intelligent. In fact, I am sometimes the opposite...all you have to do is ask my girlfriend.

However, I will concede that my wording was extreme...but my point stands concerning people finding grammar\spelling fault (especially considering we have many people who do not speak English as the 1st language) in someone's post and implying them to lack intelligence. It is a weak sauce rEbuke.

[SDuderstadt]

21. Dude...

we criticize the Tea Party all the time for their egregiously misspelled protest signs. I never criticized the poster's intelligence. But, I don't think it's all that hard to learn the correct spelling of significant countries in the news, ESPECIALLY after it was spelled correctly in the OP.

We can leave this behind us...unless you insist on calling me a "douche" again.

[Rebubula]

23. Actually...

...you did insult the person over the spelling - you may have not questioned their intelligence, but there was an implied insult - and you know it. It was a pedantic rebuke. Moreover, it was not really important to the post. I do not disagree that the poster should have been able to spell it - I just skip the minor crap considering the breadth of people from all educational backgrounds and cultures.

Again...the posters spellcheck may have fallen back and not changed due to the fact that a crab genus is called Lybia. Or he just did no catch it.

I am not concerned about putting anything behind us. I may feel the need to call you a douche again.

[SDuderstadt]

25. I did no such thing...

wouldn't the first rule of debate be to take issue with what someone actually says, not what you think they said?

As far as you "reserving" the right to call me a "douche" again, I think the moderators would disagree with your self-administered waiver, dude.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. With what army? Oh and doing that is exactly playing into

what his son claimed we would, the west that is.

that said, realistically the US is too stretched thin to do much... at a strategic level, Yes, we could send in the commandos, that would be as much as we could, a quick in and out.

The best we can do, is over moral support... which i think we are.

As to foggy bottom... investment advise, pepto by the truckload.

[thewiseguy]

14. First UN should impose a no fly zone over Libya

Even the Libyan ambassador on Al Jazeera is asking for this!

[upi402]

8. Sign this UN Petition to urge help in Libya:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?01031988

[denem]

15. US Military action is never justified.

A long standing DU consensus. Always makes things worse.
Intervening in Kosovo proved Clinton to be a a war criminal.
:sarcasm:

[Uzybone]

17. Libyans do not fondly remember the last time US has planes flying over thier country

We should keep out

[Rebubula]

20. And...

...the people of Lockerbie, Scotland do not fondly remember that last time a Libyian blew up a plane over their town.




Stupid retorts aside - I agree that we should stay out of this.

[Uzybone]

22. you do know Reagan bombed Libya before Lockerbie right?

[Rebubula]

24. Indeed I do...

...I was just making (as I stated) a stupid retort in an attempt of humor - I was being intentionally obtuse.. (or something dumber - I am not in my best form today).


The people of Libya have suffered far worse from their own leaders than from ours.

[SDuderstadt]

18. "U.S. military action is NEVER justified"?

I hardly believe that is any sort of DU "consensus".