Another deranged woman abducts, kills and cuts the baby out of a pregnant woman

[cali]

Police: Baby cut out of pregnant Kentucky woman

(AP) – 15 hours ago

BOWLING GREEN, Ky. (AP) — A woman used a stun gun to subdue an expectant mother before killing her and cutting the baby boy from her body, a Kentucky State Police investigator testified Tuesday.

Detective Chad Winn, speaking during a preliminary hearing in Warren County District Court, said Kathy Michelle Coy told 21-year old Jamie Stice they were going shopping for baby supplies but took her instead to a wooded area with plans to kill her.

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Winn testified that after attacking Stice with the stun gun, Coy slit Stice's throat and wrists, then cut the baby out of her abdomen. Winn said Coy eventually led investigators to Stice's body and gave details of the slaying.

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Stice's remains were found off a dirt road in the Oakland community of southern Kentucky on April 14, less than a day after she was last seen leaving her home with Coy. Coy was arrested after showing up at a Bowling Green hospital with a newborn baby, but no signs of having given birth, Winn said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ifAbkcQ_bN1vRon4IUfXlaTO3WtQ?docId=6dbb8f1d0e27413f8eabae8fd4a41393

[luvspeas]

1. y'know, you can read this on drudgereport...

which is where you probably found it in the first place.

[trumad]

6. What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

AP wrote it.

Maybe you haven't realized this yet...but us DU'ers are interested in Societal issues like this.

[luvspeas]

15. cut and pasted from the DU rules under content...

The General Discussion forum is for discussion of a wide range of topics that are relevant to politics, public policy, and current events. Topics with little or no political relevance are not permitted in the General Discussion forum.

Sensationalized torture porn has no political relevance in my opinion. Especially sensationalized torture porn that has already been posted here.

[n2doc]

17. I think there needs to be a DU: Lunacy discussion group n/t

[cali]

18. oh tough. I'm sure you've alerted. let the mods decide.

and guess what? this is a current event. And articles about subjects like this one are posted every day here in GD. don't like it? hide thread helps or staying off of DU.

[trumad]

19. In your opinion.

I think that political actions in this country have led to a society that does shit like this--- in my opinion.

See how that works?

[H2O Man]

29. Strongly disagree

with your expressed position here.

Some of the most interesting, and potentially most valuable discussions on DU:GD begin with OPs on some strange and even repulsive human behaviors. I think the OP is entirely appropriate for such a discussion.

Also, although DUer Cali's OPs/posts express opinions that other forum members disagree with -- at times strongly -- she is consistent in challenging everyone to think .... and that is always a good thing.

[snooper2]

30. You'll be okay in the morning..

You'll wake up and forget all about it

[Obamanaut]

41. A super moon has what political relevance? It was posted in GD (remember doing it?) ->

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=693182

Go SUPERMOON

[cali]

13. I don't know. I don't read drudge, but YOU obviously do.

:rofl:

[PVnRT]

16. Actually, it was on Kentucky TV news shows and newspapers

[msanthrope]

23. Okay. Now you've made me defend Cali.

Cali and I don't agree on much.

But she's got a right to post what she finds on reputable news sources and comment upon it.

Which she has, straightforwardly....

So quit clutching your pearls and put the thread on ignore if you don't like it.

[Poll_Blind]

24. LOL, I hear ya. But because you did, I didn't have to!

And Cali didn't do anything wrong, IMO. I was kind of hoping that the stinker post would just get dwarfed in the responses and effectively "go away" in that sense.

PB

[msanthrope]

26. We are all Democrats, right???

Forgive me for using your post to illustrate this.

We may not agree on SOME things. But the fundamentals, we get right.

[GKirk]

35. y'know you can

come back and say you're sorry that you jumped to a wrong conclusion

[ZombieHorde]

42. What a bizarre comment. I suspect your true concern is not in your reply.

But what could it be?

[Deep13]

2. Jesus, that's ghastly.

:(

[Blue_Tires]

3. not the first time i've read this, either...

I never understand how some women sink to this kind of derangement...Even in a pure psychotic state, the killer has to know that she can't go from "not pregnant" to "just gave birth" overnight without friends, family and doctors asking a lot of questions...

[Poll_Blind]

8. IMO, this is a primal psychosis which has been around and will be around for millenia.

If you read the full article which (making face) is so explicit, especially how the killer brought the baby in and what she brought with it (hint: it wasn't just the baby and the placenta), it makes even less sense than probably every other case like this I've read.

I think it's a primal psychosis, the exact cause of which I am not qualified to speculate about, but I grew up around a lot of women and some women absolutely fixate on babies (when they don't have a child themselves) way more than others. Some go overboard with the fixation. Some get flat-out creepy with it. And I guess, way outside the solar system of all that...way out there...are people like the killer mentioned in this article.

For a mother of two, already, to do this....WTF?

PB

[Blue_Tires]

9. is it some skewed vision of identity or self-worth?

i.e., "My friends/family/society will never see me as a legitimate woman if I don't have a baby?"

[LisaL]

11. She already had two children in their teens.

[Poll_Blind]

22. Someting like that. I mean, in my experience anyway, it's something like that plus...

...a whole lot of what can be best described as "agitation". That idea of worth you mentioned plus an extremely heightened sense of urgency, a kind of harried, mad, urgency.

PB

[hobbit709]

12. I knew someone that was that fixated about babies.

when there was an attempted abduction of a baby a few years ago and they gave the description of the woman my first thought was "She finally did it" The description of both her and her vehicle matched to a T.

[Poll_Blind]

21. Hobbit709, this comment is directed as much at me and everyone else as it is as...

...you but I think in a lot of situations (I mean over the course of our lives, not a day-to-day basis) I find it interesting the personality characteristics we identify in people which have undertones which we might not intentionally explore but which we "file away" in the back of our minds. That if we really explored our honest interpretation of a particular person's psyche we might draw conclusions about them which could be really, really disturbing.

But we don't, because a lot of those evaluations run up against a wall of "Nah, that's just too creepy. They wouldn't do that."

Reason why I make this spiel is I'm getting on 40 now and my life has been touched, mostly indirectly thank god, by physical abuse, sexual abuse and/or pedophilia. All of those are horrible, heinous crimes and yet we find ourselves reading articles about people whose acquaintances or family members say, "Yeah, you know I could kind of see it going that way but I just didn't think they'd really do it."

Your description of your friend reminded me of all that, and I just wanted to throw that observation in there. Not sure if I articulated that thought correctly, coffee hasn't kicked in fully yet.

PB

[LisaL]

10. She was telling people she was pregnant.

"Darla Mueller, Coy's neighbor, says Coy had told family and friends she was expecting a child, and that she had posted an ultrasound picture online and recently bought baby items. Mueller said Coy's husband also believed she was pregnant."
http://www.fox19.com/Global/story.asp?S=14456352

[GKirk]

4. He linked to an AP news article

why the comment about Drudge?

The question is for post #1

[Poll_Blind]

5. Whoa, possibly made a mistake by reading the whole article. The second half of it is grisly and...

...so clearly describes how everything went down- ugh.

Wow. This is terrible, tragic beyond words. I feel especially sorry for the children who seemed to have some indication about this but I assume didn't say anything because the killer was manipulating them. That's...just...horrible.

As much as I point my finger at our "modern" society as the cause of some of our ills, I have no doubt in my mind that women have been cutting other women open to steal their babies for millenia.

PB

[eilen]

20. This is an old psychosis.

It is grisly and very sad. Even back in ancient times there have been women stealing babies from other women. It is in our fairy tales, our legends, our religious texts and transcends culture.

[H2O Man]

27. Very important point.

Thank you.

[GKirk]

7. Understatement of the year...

"The defense is concerned that there are significant mental health issues,"

[MilesColtrane]

14. Jesus, how horrible.

I heartily recommend NOT reading the linked details if you think you might be disturbed by it.

[WatsonT]

25. Why do women do this?

What in our culture teaches them that this is acceptable?

Completely insane.

[Poll_Blind]

28. Women all the world over had been stealing babes from their mothers wombs' for millenia.

It's not our culture. At least not in the broader sense. As is mentioned upthread, this has been around a looooong time.

PB

[WatsonT]

31. It was a bit tongue in cheek

every story that comes out of some tragedy here results in a "why is this happening all of a sudden? What in our culture changed to make this occur?"

[Poll_Blind]

34. Oh, heh heh, I totally missed that. Well, I normally look at stories like that....

...for better or for worse! In this case I can't blame saggy pants, The Wars, The Big Banks, etc.

I find it somewhat refreshing rather than frustrating...

:rofl:

PB

[PVnRT]

32. A culture that tells women that they are worthwhile only insofar as they have babies

It's not as prevalent as it used to be, but it's still there. Women are supposed to be married before age 25 and start having kids IMMEDIATELY. I'm amazed by how often I see that where I work - a couple of people got married, and wives were pregnant within a couple of months. It's a mystery to me why anyone would want to tie themselves down with kids while they are young and have the ambition to go do fun things - wait until you're a little older and more mature with a more stable job first.

[AngryAmish]

33. Fertility goes down a lot after age 35

Waiting may bring heartbreak.

[GKirk]

36. I'm pretty sure it's more than culture...

...I'm pretty sure that women feel a need to have babies all by themselves.
(well not 'all' by themselves) :)

[WatsonT]

38. So the patriarchy cut this women up

Damn you patriarchy!

[PVnRT]

39. You're right, we have a complete gender-neutral culture

:eyes:

[WatsonT]

40. Nope, but it's not such that women have no responsibility for their own actions

Man screws up: patriarchy.

Woman screws up: patriarchy.

See a pattern emerging?

This woman did what she did not because she was told to by men but because she was crazy/evil in her own right (that does happen even to the fairer sex).

But if you want to go down that route: can a man blame women when he gets in to a fight with another man? Afterall: women do tend to reward (sexually) men who are physically dominate (professional athletes do alright in that regard). Did he really want to get in to that fight, or was he just responding to subtle cues from the female majority on how he is supposed to act?

That guy who smashed in a couple of skulls at the bar the other day is really a victim if you think about it.

/see how crazy things get when you divorce personal responsibility from individual actions? Anyone can be blamed for any action if you think about it long enough.

[JVS]

37. Holy shit!