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A very simple proof that the 1920-1945 Nazi Party was not truly socialist

Let's talk about whether the Germans were socialists....

Yes, the name was "National Socialist Workers Party" (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP), but they did not RULE/terrorize as true socialists.

Text of the famous poem by Martin Niemoller:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

or this version:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Reputable and reliable historical accounts bear this out. Any friend, family member, debate opponent, Republican, conservative etc, if they really think long and hard and in a logical manner, will see that the Nazi Party was NOT socialist. It was fascist.

Just because a political party calls itself "socialist" means nothing. Just because they have socialist ideas in their 1920 political program means nothing. Look at the actions.

Yes, of course, the hard core proponents of the "Nazis were socialists" meme will scream fake history or something like that.

March 1945 US Army information sheet on Fascism for the troops

https://archive.org/details/ArmyTalkOrientationFactSheet64-Fascism/mode/2up (you can download it here in various formats including Kindle and PDF ).

Plain text version here: https://archive.org/stream/ArmyTalkOrientationFactSheet64-Fascism/Fascism64_djvu.txt

I found this here:
Fascism!: The US Army Publishes a Pamphlet in 1945 Explaining How to Spot Fascism at Home and Abroad


Anyone here playing around with ChatGPT ?


Yes, I am well aware of its current flaws. At that address, you can use a fairly recent version for free. Google has https://bard.google.com and Bing (Microsoft) has it in its Edge browser.

An impossible question to answer: How many seniors and immunocompromised people in FL died ?

As I said in the subject line, it is impossible to answer. My understanding is that DeSantis disabled the Department of Health from collecting and publishing accurate statistics on all facets of COVID-19 in Florida. Maybe I understood the information wrong.

I posit this because, DeSantis is always trumpeting the "fact" that he kept Florida open, open for business, and "kept the schools open". I admit to not knowing the exact truths about all this.

However, I do know that the country of Sweden adopted a similar policy at the beginning of the pandemic, only to put in some restrictions for public health later. Their death rate per 100,000 was among the highest in Europe.

It seems to me that DeSantis' policy sacrificed seniors and the immunocompromised in favor of "openness". I wish we knew good stats about those two populations.

Thanks for your patience.


hi my fellow Floridians, your feedback about the newspaper Orlando Sentinel...

Hi all,

I know those of you who don't live near Orlando (or never have) probably won't have an opinion on this, so my apologies about that.

Until very recently, I considered the Orlando Sentinel centrist (at most) overall. I have never seen them as a "captive" of the Democratic Party (like Fox News is with Republicans) or left of center in any way. Granted, they might have taken a position or two that is left of center, but yes, I've always seen the paper as centrist to center-right.

I've seen two people lately disparage the paper lately as too leftist and anti-Republican. I don't know, sounds like AM hate radio or Fox News talking points to me.

Comments, fellow Floridians ? Thank you for your time in advance !

Orlando resident

January 3, 1944: First usage of a helicopter for the US military


In this excerpt, it says US Coast Guard as the source. I will look for that.

On the morning of 3 January 1944, the destroyer USS Turner suffers multiple explosions and sinks while at anchor off Sandy Hook, New Jersey. A historical first occurs during the rescue operations: a helicopter carries vital medical supplies to wounded sailors.

The previous night, 2 January 1944, USS Turner had arrived at Ambrose Light off Sandy Hook after successfully escorting a convoy across the Atlantic. At 0617 hours this morning, 3 January 1944, as Turner's crew are replenishing supplies and conducting maintenance, an explosion happens in one of the upper-deck ammunition handling rooms. Turner is engulfed in flame as two further explosions rip through her hull. At 0705 hours, Turner's captain gives the order to abandon the ship, but many of the crew are already dead or too gravely injured. Forty-five minutes later, an earth-shattering explosion splits Turner nearly in half, and she sinks within minutes, taking at least 130 sailors with her.

Wounded sailors are transported to a hospital in Sandy Hook, but the hospital quickly runs out of blood and blood plasma for transfusions. The Coast Guard is called to assist in the transport of fresh blood plasma, but the heavy snow and sleet prevent all their airplanes from taking off.

LCDR. Frank Erickson, Executive Officer of the Brooklyn air station and first qualified Coast Guard helicopter pilot is contacted in the afternoon by a US Navy admiral. He and co-pilot Walter Bolton prepare a Sikorsky R-4 helicopter within minutes and fly the Battery in New York to pick up two cases of blood plasma. Weight proves to be an issue, and Bolton is left behind while Erickson flies to Sandy Hook with the cargo tied to the helicopter's floats. He narrowly avoids ships anchored along his flight path as visibility deteriorates rapidly but makes it to the hospital with the aircraft and cargo intact. Dozens of USS Turner's sailors are saved by blood transfusions.

Despite still being a prototype, the R-4, and the helicopter in general, shows its worth that day for rapid rescue and transport operations.

Picture: Commander F. A. Erickson, USCG, and Ensign W. C. Bolton, USCG. (7 April 1944)
Source: US Coast Guard

I always thought helicopters were non-existent during the war, and in 1947 the first one was used.


After nearby ships picked up the survivors of the sunken destroyer, the injured were taken to the hospital at Sandy Hook, New Jersey. A United States Coast Guard Sikorsky HNS-1 flown by Lieutenant Commander Frank A. Erickson — the first use of a helicopter in a life-saving role — flew two cases of blood plasma, lashed to the helicopter's floats, from New York to Sandy Hook. The plasma saved the lives of many of Turner's injured crewmen.[2] Turner's name was stricken from the Naval Vessel Register on 8 April 1944.


Poll: Are you leaving or joining Twitter ?

If you hate Twitter and would never join, that's cool. It's in the poll.

Because of how DU typically is, I need to put this caveat: I AM NOT ENDORSING TWITTER OR ELON MUSK !
Again, if you hate Twitter and or Elon Musk, cool with me. Not endorsing or recommending either. Just curious.

If you are leaving Twitter, which platform are you going to ?

Sincere ignorant, admittedly, question about black and white film and still photos 1939 to 1945

Hello all,

I put this question here because it is related to American History, specifically American involvement in World War Two.

As most (or all) of you know, still photographs and movies taken in World War Two are overwhelmingly in black and white. I would put a rough estimate at 99%.

There are color still photos and films, of course. I have seen some of them.

Question: Was color "still photo" film and movie film too expensive and/or scarce during that time period ? I admit, I have not done an exhaustive internet search for the answer. I figured someone here would know the answer instantly. That is a wonderful thing about DU. We have so many highly intelligent and well-educated patrons here.

Thank you for your responses !


George Washington had a SCOTUS nomination rejected in 1795

John Jay resigned as Chief Justice on June 29, 1795, after being elected Governor of New York. The subsequent nomination of John Rutledge as Chief Justice was rejected by a vote of 10–14 on December 15, 1795. Rutledge's strident and vocal opposition to the Jay Treaty may have been the main reason for his rejection. Because he had been a recess appointment, Rutledge served as Chief Justice for one term.[6]


Associate Justice

On September 24, 1789, George Washington nominated Rutledge for one of the five associate justice positions on the newly established Supreme Court. His appointment (along with those of: John Blair Jr., William Cushing, Robert H. Harrison, and James Wilson; plus that of John Jay for Chief Justice) was confirmed by the Senate two days later.[33] His service on the Court officially began February 15, 1790, when he took the judicial oath, and continued until March 5, 1791.[1] Rutledge resigned from the Supreme Court, without having ever heard a case, in order to become chief justice of the South Carolina Court of Common Pleas and Sessions.[34][35]

Chief Justice

Further information: Rutledge Court

Bust of John Rutledge in the United States Supreme Court
On June 28, 1795, Chief Justice John Jay resigned, having been elected governor of New York. Washington selected Rutledge to succeed Jay as chief justice, and, as the Senate would not be meeting again until December, gave Rutledge a recess appointment so that he could serve as chief justice during the upcoming August session. He was commissioned as chief justice on June 30, 1795,[36] and took the judicial oath on August 12.[1]

On July 16, 1795, Rutledge gave a highly controversial speech denouncing the Jay Treaty with Great Britain. He reportedly said in the speech "that he had rather the President should die than sign that puerile instrument"– and that he "preferred war to an adoption of it."[37] Rutledge's speech against the Jay Treaty cost him the support of many in the Washington administration, which supported the treaty, and in the Senate, which would soon be called upon to advise the president on his nomination of Rutledge to the judicial post and to consent to its ratification by a two-thirds vote.

Two cases were decided while Rutledge was chief justice.[citation needed] In United States v. Peters, the Court ruled that federal district courts had no jurisdiction over crimes committed against Americans in international waters. In Talbot v. Janson, the Court held that a citizen of the United States did not waive all claims to U.S. citizenship by either renouncing citizenship of an individual state or by becoming a citizen of another country. The Rutledge Court thus established an important precedent for multiple citizenship in the United States.

By the time of his formal nomination to the Court on December 10, 1795, Rutledge's reputation was in tatters, and support for his nomination had faded. Rumors of mental illness and alcohol abuse swirled around him, concocted largely by the Federalist press. His words and actions in response to the Jay Treaty were used as evidence of his continued mental decline.[35] The Senate rejected his appointment on December 15, 1795, by a vote of 10–14.[33] Altogether, 9 Democratic-Republicans and 1 Federalist voted in favor of confirmation, while 14 Federalists voted against it; additionally, 5 Federalists and 1 Democratic-Republican did not vote.[38] This was the first time that the Senate had voted down a Supreme Court nomination. As of 2022; it remains the only U.S. Supreme Court recess appointment to be subsequently rejected by the Senate.[35][39] Though the Senate remained in session through June 1, 1796, which would have been the automatic end of Rutledge's commission following the rejection, Rutledge resigned from the Court two days later, on December 28, 1795. He served the briefest tenure of any Chief Justice of the United States (138 days).[40]


Tajikistan President Emomali Rahmon demands respect from Russian President Putin


Tajikistan's president demands respect from Russian President Vladimir Putin in a remarkable outburst at Central Asia-Russia summit in Astana


Rahmon blames the collapse of the Soviet Union on failure by Moscow to give proper consideration to the interests of the "small republics," implying that Russia is making the same mistakes all over again


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