Reply #23: I do care - for our troops; and you are helping to kill them! [View All]

[democratic veteran]

This had made the wrong wing rounds before. A progressive friend had a great response:

From: GORDON MANN
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:42 PM
Subject: What's all the fuss?

WHAT'S ALL THE FUSS?
"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we?

>---No, our president now calls this "a global struggle against violent extremism." It was known from the beginning that no one can "win" a "War on Terror" but we might be able to shove around some "rag heads" involved in a "global struggle against violent extremism" and appear to be doing something.

Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our
shores on September 11, 2001?

>---No...it began years before with western hegemony and industrial
nation's over-dependence on foreign oil. Watch something other than FOX news and you'll understand that I am talking about the history of that region, not the narrative republicans want to pass of as "historical fact," holding political purchase over the safety and future of America.

Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally
murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania?

>---Yes, over 3,000 died, and for that we took the lives of thousands more, occupied their land and are hijacking their natural resources so that we can keep our gas guzzling SUV's running. 3,000 died so that a handful of oil industries in America could exploit their deaths and secure what could be the largest oil fields in the world.

Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible,
burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

>---See above.

And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet? Well, I don't. I don't care at all.

>---This is why those same soldiers face what they do every day, because the military doesn't help them understand the inflammatory effect of these "accidents" and how they have helped cost over 1,7000 Americans their lives and wounded thousands more. How do you support a war that you "don't care" about the fundamentals of? You don't.

I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

>---He was in our sights at Tora Bora and we let him go. This
administration is getting too much political support from people like you to catch him now. Osama says "Keep up the good work."

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start
caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia.

>---If you look at the statistics about how much Christians understand the Bible, it should be a crime for some of them to own it. "God helps those who help themselves" is a "phantom scripture," not stated by Jesus Christ. But many Christians swear it's Biblical. Jesus Christ helped the poor, he wouldn't rush to give welfare to corporate America while taking it away from the underprivileged like the "family values" right is doing today.

>http://www.acts17-11.com/cows_helps.html

I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for
hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling, slashed throat.

>---The question is when are we going to say "I'm sorry" for intervening in Middle Eastern affairs supporting despots like the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein until they just don't get us the oil we need or their people kick them out? I suppose al-Zarqawi will apologize for one man when we apologize for centuries of death and destruction to support our national fossil fuel addiction.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.

>---I'd be interested in seeing how you would "come out and fight like a man" if you were nose to nose with those "cowardly insurgents" and your billion dollar a week military wasn't there to protect you. The insurgents have no air force, no navy, no army and yet armed with smuggled weapons they can still raise hell in Iraq. Are you still here? Go get them boy!

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

>---This will happen when American bombers trying to secure oil fields for American oil industries, can drop those things without killing thousands of children in a fell swoop.

I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First
Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.

>---"First Amendment Liberties" are not derived from International Law but inspired by them either because or in spite of European influence.
>Our Constitution is a combination of a lot of different European ideas and certainly didn't rise out of a vacuum. Read the "Federalist Papers," in between FOX news flashes. If some of us weren't so girlie-man sensitive about feed back and criticism we could take a breath and understand that we don't live in a fish bowl, we live in a big ocean, and how we exercise our "rights" in the world impact people all over it, not just the three foot radius around your TV chair and beer tray. A lot of countries will attest to that, like Germany, Japan, most of South America, Spain and now the Middle East.

>I'll care when Clinton-appointed judges stop ordering my government to release photos of the abuses at Abu Ghraib, which are sure to set off the Islamic extremists just as Newsweek's lies did a few weeks ago.

>---That's called "freedom of the press." When did that become a bad
thing? BTW, "Newsweek's lies" were later substantiated Dweezle, as you confirm here.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.

>---That incident becomes a recruiting anecdote for thousands more
insurgents rising up our of the streets of Iraq to hunt and murder that "brave marine."
>Do me a favor. Don't support the troops...you're killing them.

When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have
been humiliated in what amounts to a college hazing incident, rest
assured that I don't care.

>---That "college hazing" has been used to recruit thousands of Iraqis that may have been on the edge and our treatment of their fellows tipped them over. Don't support the troops...you're killing them.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank that I don't care.

>---More propaganda turning those Iraqi's that are on the fence into al Quaeda supporters, one more insurgent hunting our troops in the streets of Baghdad. Don't support the troops...you're killing them.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is
complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can
absolutely believe in your heart of hearts that I don't care.

>---Only in America can cafeteria food be a trade off for living in a cage with no hope of ever returning to your homeland. What did you have for dinner last night BTW big boy?

>---Now as for your tax dollars, the GAO says that billions of it is
disappearing in Iraq from choice contractor deals that are basically
producing zip over there. The money is going into some big, universal contractor's toilet while many Iraqis still don't have water or electricity after two years. Let's not worry about what Omar had for dinner at Guantanamo so much as our tax dollars are concerned, and actually demand some accountability from the war profiteers in Afghanistan and Iraq chewing up billions there for who knows what.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran"
and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and -- you guessed it -- I don't care!"

>---When an American city is rendered inhospitable for eternity from a tired little dirty bomb because we couldn't spell "Quran" I imagine that you won't care then either, unless it's your home you need to vacate over night for radiation contamination. How will that happen? It will happen because this administration is more interested in war profiteering than securing our borders, more interested in controlling Iraqi oil that subduing real al Quaeda operatives, more concerned about approval ratings than the lives of American soldiers trying to support a lie that many of us back home have failed to really understand but like to blab about a lot...maybe because we "don't care."

>---Mr. Mann you are a gift to Osama bin Laden with a big, pretty pink ribbon tied around your fat head. We have no chance at wining anything we have started here as long as what we are doing goes as unexamined as it is in your mind. Our enemies love this crap. Your email is probably in every terrorists email inbox right now and used in every terrorist recruiting >article available on the Internet to date. It intimidates no one, most certainly doesn't educate anyone, and inflames those whom we have understood so little and yet set out to change so much about, pronounced so bravely from within the three foot radius of our armchair and TV tray.

>---"Bite me" Mr. Mann, and if you don't like that...I don't care.

>>Doug Patton/Gordon Mann or whoever wrote this or believes it: Support the troops, enlist. I did.